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 July 25, 2011, 07:45:14 AM
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 VB and Dale Myers has C399 doing a hard left into JC left leg. But why?? Could it have been even simpler than the Myers version?  John Connelly's attention was to the right of the limo and turned that way. There wasn't much room for his legs, even Nellie said that because of his large frame he didn't fit comfortably in the front jump seat. If his torso was turned to the right why not his legs also? To me, the straighter the bullet travels, especially since its tumbling, the less likely it loses its shape with the absence of a major deflection as it traveled through Connelly. I'll try to be easy on you since you appear to be new to this. Your text will be eaten up by the graphics, so try to add a hard carriage return, blank line after your graphics command. That upper drawing was from Bugliosi's book, but it appears that the guy who did it for him knew nothing about the JFK case. He has the bullet going through Connally's back about halway from the midline to the right armpit whereas the entrance wound was INSIDE the right armpit. And how in the world does he have the bullet both go through Connally's wrist and not hit anything on the right leg and miss the hat and also get deflected into the left thigh? The lower diagram seems to be a sketch Ken Rahn used to explain where the fragments went. I don't think he meant it to be an accurate trajectory but merely diagrammatic. Want to see really silly WC diagram? Take a look at Free Frank Warner's first attempt. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login He has the bullet going through Connally's THUMB and then his hat!
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July 25, 2011, 03:57:22 PM
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VB and Dale Myers has C399 doing a hard left into JC left leg. But why?? Could it have been even simpler than the Myers version? John Connelly's attention was to the right of the limo and turned that way. There wasn't much room for his legs, even Nellie said that because of his large frame he didn't fit comfortably in the front jump seat. If his torso was turned to the right why not his legs also? To me, the straighter the bullet travels, especially since its tumbling, the less likely it loses its shape with the absence of a major deflection as it traveled through Connelly. This is a reasonable speculation, that Connallys legs were turned, and that is something at one time I was trying to dispute Robert Harris theory of 223 being from the Daltex bldg. I argued that if Connallys legs were straight forward, the Daltex shot, although being a much better angle of about 2 or 3 degrees in the vertical plane, was too straight through in the horizontal plane to have hit Connallys thigh. But now, it might just be the case that JC has his legs turned, which now changes my opinion, that 223 is a shot from a lower angle., and not from the TSBD., at least, not from the 6ht floor.
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July 25, 2011, 04:14:45 PM
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VB and Dale Myers has C399 doing a hard left into JC left leg. But why?? Could it have been even simpler than the Myers version? John Connelly's attention was to the right of the limo and turned that way. There wasn't much room for his legs, even Nellie said that because of his large frame he didn't fit comfortably in the front jump seat. If his torso was turned to the right why not his legs also? To me, the straighter the bullet travels, especially since its tumbling, the less likely it loses its shape with the absence of a major deflection as it traveled through Connelly. Mike You should give this wonderful piece to Mike Williams over at the hollistics site he May need it there. Ian
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July 25, 2011, 06:09:38 PM
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VB and Dale Myers has C399 doing a hard left into JC left leg. But why?? Could it have been even simpler than the Myers version? John Connelly's attention was to the right of the limo and turned that way. There wasn't much room for his legs, even Nellie said that because of his large frame he didn't fit comfortably in the front jump seat. If his torso was turned to the right why not his legs also? To me, the straighter the bullet travels, especially since its tumbling, the less likely it loses its shape with the absence of a major deflection as it traveled through Connelly. Mike... for your SBT to work the bullet has to enter and exit JFK correctly.... The shot doesn't even get past JFK... the angles are wrong... the bullet would exit JFK's chest... (plus there's that pesky little bit about the throat wound being an entrance wound) The back wound is too low and if you are going to quote the autopsy.. you know Humes described this back wound as a 45-60 degree downward angle.. JC a 25-27 degree angle... when you can reconcile these images and the reality of what you are trying to prove with the SBT... I think we find the SBT to be simply that.. a theory with no basis in fact. 
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July 25, 2011, 06:26:51 PM
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VB and Dale Myers has C399 doing a hard left into JC left leg. But why?? Could it have been even simpler than the Myers version?
John Connelly's attention was to the right of the limo and turned that way. There wasn't much room for his legs, even Nellie said that because of his large frame he didn't fit comfortably in the front jump seat. If his torso was turned to the right why not his legs also? To me, the straighter the bullet travels, especially since its tumbling, the less likely it loses its shape with the absence of a major deflection as it traveled through Connelly.
You're barking up the wrong tree as the evidence shows us that the SBT is a lie. It is all hocus-pocus stuff dreamed up by the  Arlen Specter! I guess it worked too as there is NO other way that dimwit would have become a US Senator!
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July 25, 2011, 06:46:02 PM
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Mike...
for your SBT to work the bullet has to enter and exit JFK correctly....
The shot doesn't even get past JFK... the angles are wrong... the bullet would exit JFK's chest...
(plus there's that pesky little bit about the throat wound being an entrance wound)
The back wound is too low and if you are going to quote the autopsy.. you know Humes described this back wound as a 45-60 degree downward angle..
JC a 25-27 degree angle...
Sibert and O’Neill reported the 45-60 degree downward angle that you confuse with a declination angle of the bullet. In reality Humes measured a 45-degree transit between the entry near the EOP and a suspected exit site. In lay language the sense of this transit angle was upward. Doctor Shaw measured a 25-27 degree transit angle through the torso of Governor Connally. Again you mistakenly equate a transit angle to a declination angle. In this case the transit angle equals the declination angle plus the lean angle of Connally when shot. Herbert when you can reconcile these images and the reality of what you are trying to prove with the SBT... I think we find the SBT to be simply that.. a theory with no basis in fact.
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July 25, 2011, 06:56:08 PM
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This is a reasonable speculation, that Connallys legs were turned, and that is something at one time I was trying to dispute Robert Harris theory of 223 being from the Daltex bldg. I argued that if Connallys legs were straight forward, the Daltex shot, although being a much better angle of about 2 or 3 degrees in the vertical plane, was too straight through in the horizontal plane to have hit Connallys thigh. But now, it might just be the case that JC has his legs turned, which now changes my opinion, that 223 is a shot from a lower angle., and not from the TSBD., at least, not from the 6ht floor.
The locations of Governor Connally’s back and chest wounds were consistent with a bullet from the TSBD that transited a forward facing torso without deflection. However the sharp right turn of Connally as seen on Z-222 and Z-223 causes an insoluble problem for a single bullet event. In particular the bullet had to deflect to the right in order to exit from the medically reported position. Since the bullet had to deflect gradually, it would have exited the chest at a sharper angle than the right turn itself. This excess deflection would have placed the bullet farther from a course toward the left thigh even if the entire body of Connally had rotated right with his torso. Herbert
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July 25, 2011, 07:13:48 PM
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Sibert and O’Neill reported the 45-60 degree downward angle that you confuse with a declination angle of the bullet. In reality Humes measured a 45-degree transit between the entry near the EOP and a suspected exit site. In lay language the sense of this transit angle was upward.
Doctor Shaw measured a 25-27 degree transit angle through the torso of Governor Connally. Again you mistakenly equate a transit angle to a declination angle. In this case the transit angle equals the declination angle plus the lean angle of Connally when shot.
Herbert
Sorry Herbert... the EOP??? what does the EOP have to do with the back and neck wound entry angles? and the fact that Humes stated a 45-60 degree entry at a DOWNWARD position? He stated it did NOT transit... until Arlen set him straight... This opening was probed by Dr. HUMES with the finger, at which time it was determined that the trajectory of the missile entering at this point had entered at a downward position of 45 to 60 degrees. Further probing determined that the distance traveled by this missile was a short distance inasmuch as the end of the opening could be felt with the finger
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July 25, 2011, 07:24:14 PM
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Sorry Herbert... the EOP??? what does the EOP have to do with the back and neck wound entry angles? and the fact that Humes stated a 45-60 degree entry at a DOWNWARD position?
He stated it did NOT transit... until Arlen set him straight...
This opening was probed by Dr. HUMES with the finger, at which time it was determined that the trajectory of the missile entering at this point had entered at a downward position of 45 to 60 degrees. Further probing determined that the distance traveled by this missile was a short distance inasmuch as the end of the opening could be felt with the finger
This silly issue has been dealt with and properly addressed years ago. David, the 1980's called. They want their JFK Assassination research back.
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July 25, 2011, 07:33:55 PM
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Sorry Herbert... the EOP??? what does the EOP have to do with the back and neck wound entry angles? and the fact that Humes stated a 45-60 degree entry at a DOWNWARD position?
He stated it did NOT transit... until Arlen set him straight...
The EOP entry and the suspected exit wound were the subjects of the only angular measurement reported by Humes. Now show us the basis for your claim that “. . . Humes described this back wound as a 45-60 degree downward angle..” You posted this statement now give us the relevant quotation of Humes.
This opening was probed by Dr. HUMES with the finger, at which time it was determined that the trajectory of the missile entering at this point had entered at a downward position of 45 to 60 degrees. Further probing determined that the distance traveled by this missile was a short distance inasmuch as the end of the opening could be felt with the finger
Again, I ask you to quote Humes. Herbert
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