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 July 14, 2011, 03:54:17 AM
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For the life of me I cant understand why the chief surgeon for JC would make this comment. Did C399 fall out of JC before he went into the surgery or what??
there's still a bullet in jc's leg. (wherever his grave is) it's the third shot
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July 14, 2011, 08:45:54 PM
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John Connally was buried with small fragments with the weight characteristics of pencil shavings or even smaller. (I thought he was anyway). Im not sure why anyone would think that it was a bullet. He wasnt buried with a bullet in his leg. right?? According to the Warren Commission: Parkland Hospital senior engineer, Mr. Darrell C. Tomlinson, was moving some wheeled stretchers when he bumped a stretcher “against the wall and a bullet rolled out.” He called for help and was joined by Mr. O.P. Wright, Parkland’s personnel director. After examining the bullet together, Mr. Wright passed it along to one of the U.S. Secret Service agents who were prowling the hospital, Special Agent Richard Johnson. ...meet C399...and the rest they say is history. Why is the chief surgeon for Connally saying in this press conference that the bullet is still in his leg?? Although he does say that the wound in his thigh wasnt a significant one, which would seem to make plausible that a bullet "could" fall out. But indeed the bullet was still in there. To think the chief surgeon is mistaken is a stretch.. Robert Groden said last Tuesday on Face book. "I have always felt that this was amazingly important. I discovered the original 2 inch video tape nearly 20 years ago and have been telling people about it ever since. The important thing is that the bullet is still in Governor Connally's leg long after CE399 is on its way back to Washington on Air Force One. All by itself, this press conference destroys the single bullet theory." Ive not been a Groden supporter for for years now so Im not boasting about him or proping up his theories..its just that he doesnt say much but he sure piped up on this issue. So for someone confidant in his LN'er beliefs I struggle with this video. Does it not bug anyone else?? 
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July 14, 2011, 09:42:26 PM
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When Dr. Shaw spoke at that press conference he assumed there was a bullet in Connally's thigh. Shaw was a thoracic surgeon and never examined the thigh wound. He worked only on Connally's chest wound. Other Dr's worked on Connally's wrist and thigh wounds. The chest wound took priority. Here are some questions from the WC report that Dr Shaw was asked concerning JCs wounds:
Mr. SPECTER - You have described, in a general way, the chest wound. What other wounds, if any, was Governor Connally suffering from at the time you saw him?
Dr. SHAW - I will describe then the wound of the wrist which was obvious. He had a wound of the lower right forearm that I did not accurately examine because I had already talked to Dr. Gregory while I was scrubbing for the operation, told him that this wound would need his attention as soon as we were able to get the chest in a satisfactory condition. There was also, I was told, I didn't see the wound, on the thigh, I was told that there was a small wound on the thigh which I saw later.
Mr. SPECTER - Now, as to the wound on the thigh, could that bullet have gone into the Governor's thigh without causing any more damage than appears on the face of that bullet?
Dr. SHAW - If it was a spent bullet; yes. As far as the bullet is concerned it could have caused the Governor's thigh wound as a spent missile.
Mr. SPECTER - Why do you say it is a spent missile, would you elaborate on what your thinking is on that issue?
Dr. SHAW - Only from what I have been told by Dr. Shires and Dr. Gregory, that the depth of the wound was only into the subcutaneous tissue, not actually into the muscle of the leg, so it meant that missile had penetrated for a very short period. Am I quoting you correctly, Dr. Gregory?
Mr. SPECTER - May the record show Dr. Gregory is present during this testimony and----
Dr. GREGORY - I will say yes.
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July 14, 2011, 10:24:31 PM
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Dr Shaw's explanation is very simple to understand once you realize what was going on; it was an extraordinary day and he did not have all of the facts when he spoke to the press.
Dr Shaw seems a very decent man, and he believed that Connally had three separate wounds that could have been made by three separate bullets. I believe that is what he thought when he first saw Connally. However, he only worked on the chest wound.
According to Doctor Shires, the surgeons who repaired Governor Connally were discussing in the operating room how one bullet inflicted all of the wounds. Herbert
In fact, Shaw had doubts about CE399 being the bullet that made all of the wounds. Although he stated that JFKs neck wound and all of JCs wounds "could" have been made by one bullett, he felt that CE399:
Dr. SHAW - I feel that there would be some difficulty in explaining all of the wounds as being inflicted by bullet Exhibit 399 without causing more in the way of loss of substance to the bullet or deformation of the bullet.
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July 14, 2011, 10:54:37 PM
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According to Doctor Shires, the surgeons who repaired Governor Connally were discussing in the operating room how one bullet inflicted all of the wounds.
Herbert
ok. let me clarify. some fragments still in connaly. others removed. definitely more than what's missing from ce399. but this is child's play. SBT is only for the gullible.
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July 14, 2011, 11:04:08 PM
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ok. let me clarify. some fragments still in connaly. others removed. definitely more than what's missing from ce399. but this is child's play. SBT is only for the gullible.
Show us your calculation of the weight of fragments left in Connally. Herbert
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July 14, 2011, 11:09:18 PM
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ce 399 fell out of kennedy's back, while he was at parkland. nothing magic about. also, after connaly's death, his family refused to allow a post-mortem exam of his leg. when you start to realize that the wc is a cover-up designed, in part, to cover up connaly's cowardice, you might start to understand the rest.
Sounds like your a student of the great Tom Purvis John. As far as I know he was the originator of that theory, if not he certainly did the most work on it. I dont agree with his overall conclusions (how can I, I'm a LN) but I could certainly go along with that part of it. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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July 14, 2011, 11:20:30 PM
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According to Doctor Shires, the surgeons who repaired Governor Connally were discussing in the operating room how one bullet inflicted all of the wounds.
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Mr. DULLES - Could you tell at all how the arm was held from that mark or that hole in the sleeve?
Dr. SHAW - Mr. Dulles, I thought I knew Just how the Governor was wounded until I saw the pictures today, and it becomes a little bit harder to explain.
I felt that the wound had been caused by the same bullet that came out through the chest with the Governor's arm held in approximately this position.
Mr. SPECTER - Indicating the right hand held close to the body?
Dr. SHAW - Yes, and this is still a possibility. But I don't feel it is the only possibility.
Senator COOPER - Why do you say you don't think it is the only possibility? What causes you now to say that it is the location----
Dr. SHAW - This is again the testimony that I believe Dr. Gregory will be giving, too. It is a matter of whether the wrist wound could be caused by the same bullet, and we felt that it could but we had not seen the bullets until today, and we still do not know which bullet actually inflicted the wound on Governor Connally.
Mr. DULLES - Or whether it was one or two wounds?
Dr. SHAW - Yes.
Mr. DULLES - Or two bullets?
Dr. SHAW - Yes; or three.
Mr. DULLES - Why do you say three?
Dr. SHAW - He has three separate wounds. He has a wound in the chest, a wound of the wrist, a wound of the thigh.
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