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these are frames 452 and 464 of the MPI version of the Z-film. what is it that you see in the second set of images, the grayscaled ones with the colored area highlighted ?  i believe the highlighted colored area in both frames show the torso and head ...  ... of JFK
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July 13, 2011, 11:09:07 PM
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I've changed my mind. I now see the scene as I have indicated indicated below.  
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July 13, 2011, 11:09:37 PM
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these are frames 452 and 464 of the MPI version of the Z-film. what is it that you see in the second set of images, the grayscaled ones with the colored area highlighted ? i believe the highlighted colored area in both frames show the torso and head ... ... of JFK Is there any way that you can make those frames fuzzier for us? I'd like to see the kooks claim it is JFK still sitting upright uninjured.
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July 14, 2011, 12:30:53 AM
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Is there any way that you can make those frames fuzzier for us? I'd like to see the kooks claim it is JFK still sitting upright uninjured.
Quite a big leap there Anthony... Sitting up...? not as much as Jackie propping him up that very instant... since she and JFK fall back down by miller3 but it does seem very odd that JFK would be bolt upright.. and shouldn't we either see the flap on the front right OPEN, or the avulsion/blow-out to the back right.. Duncan, if you could move forward a frame or few and do the same enhancement... what doe we see of JFK's head? thx DJ
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July 14, 2011, 11:56:53 AM
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Duncan, i think your "John" is actually Greer. And your "Nellie" is indeed Nellie  i think David put it right, When Jackie climed back into the back of the limo, she pushed JFK back up (why-/however). You can see in the MPI frame 464 that JFK's head is slightly tilted towards Jackie and his face is turned away from view, what we see is part of the back of his head, his hairline around his right ear is very good visible. That is my opinion. When Miller shot his "Foot" picture JFK was already fallen back onto the seat, and Hill probably kicked his dead body further down the legroom in order to get himself into the back.
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« Last Edit: July 14, 2011, 12:02:30 PM by Gerry_Dark »
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July 14, 2011, 04:21:34 PM
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I agree with Gerry. John is Greer. In the frame below (445) you can see how pronounced Greer looks in comparison to Kellerman. 
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July 14, 2011, 07:26:24 PM
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exceptional does that mean that you see a pistol in Nellies hair ? (i can add that option to the poll)ETA: by: Ed O'Hagan
...In fact had JFK been still resting heavily against her, it would have been quite impossible for Jackie to have accomplished the feat in so short a time span.
... i am not sure that i agree by what you are saying, but the fact that JFK went into the tunnel in an upright "sitting" position is interesting insofar as Jackie is the only individual who could have put JFK into this position by pushing him up. When she climbed back into the rear seat, JFK's torso must have taken up most of the space (3/4th of the seat maybe) and Jackie wouldn't have had much space left, maybe only to put her legs down and then lay down with her body over the presidents torso, that would have been most logical imo, but instead she pushed him up.
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July 14, 2011, 07:41:22 PM
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Maybe the person I have pointed to as Greer could be Greer's reflection? In which case, I was half right lol
correct :) .. it looks like a reflection this is something the Greer-shot-JFK believers gonna like (Gif below) 
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July 14, 2011, 08:58:51 PM
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correct :) .. it looks like a reflection this is something the Greer-shot-JFK believers gonna like (Gif below) Gerry.....Just sit back and wait, and someone like Jay Knowles, Rob Racy aka 7forever or Bob Ringler will grab your tongue in cheek image and spread it all over the internet, declaring this as the ultimate proof that Greer shot JFK. It's a dead cert. 
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November 29, 2011, 11:51:17 PM
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these are frames 452 and 464 of the MPI version of the Z-film. what is it that you see in the second set of images, the grayscaled ones with the colored area highlighted ? i believe the highlighted colored area in both frames show the torso and head ... ... of JFK     Without a doubt Gerda!!! JFK.... I had started a topic on this very same observation I had made, here in the Photographic and Film Evidence Forum: As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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