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 June 11, 2011, 12:18:56 PM
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 Above are the 3 BY photos. In the first one, this photo has been enlarged many, many times, put in articles, on the web on forums like this one, with the claim that it clearly shows the rifle sling is mounted on the bottom of the rifle. This is not a fact, it is simply another CT twist of the facts. CTs like the 1st photo because of this illusion. It's interesting that the side of the rifle stock that has the side sling mount isn't even visible in this view, but this doesn't seem to prevent some CTs from making this claim. As I have looked at these photos over the years, I can't really even decide if there is a sling on the rifle at all in these pictures, or if what we are seeing is a bit of rope tied on to the rifle. But that really doesn't matter, because if you look carefully at the 2nd and 3rd BY photos, they seem to show that this sling is mounted using the side mount on the rifle stock. It is certainly not mounted from the underside of the rifle, as can be seen in this enlargement below. I apologize for the red circle, which has nothing to do with the sling coming off the side of the rifle. I found this image on the web, at some CT's site, who was theorizing that something is wrong with the hand in the photo. What ever. The point here is, nobody can look at the sling in this view and claim it is mounted on the bottom of the rifle stock.  #3 below. I have done a bit of lighting manipulation to both of these latter photos. Again, the sling is not in line with an underside mounted sling swivel, which would be centered on the bottom of the stock, it is clearly mounted to the right of center. In other words from the side mount. The top of the sling, where it loops around (presumably) the metal sling swivel, is not in line with the center of the underside of the stock, but it is in line with the side of the stock, right where you'd expect it to be for a side mount sling swivel. 
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"Part of the reason why we avoided talking about this thing, because every time you say something, somebody misinterprets what you say."
-James. J. Humes, excerpt of ARRB statement, 2-13-96
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June 15, 2011, 01:37:04 AM
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Once again, not a single response from a CT. The truth is hard to face up to, isn't it? Miles? David? Rob? You are awfully quiet. Even though right now in the General category there is at least 1 of you promoting the sling is on the bottom nonsense...why not promote it here in this thread?
Until you told me about it I didn't even know it was here Geoff... Let's not assume silence equates to anything but having something more important to do at the moment as opposed to ignoring you... K? Truth? hardly... but a good presentation of your case for sure... one question though... in one case we see the ring on the underside of the rifle with what appears to be a knot on the left side of this ring... in the other case you have a rope attached to a ring that looks to me could be either on the side or underneath... I think you make an interesting point yet given the one photo with the ring under the rifle, the ad that shows the ring to be underneath and the photo of the TSBD rifle showing it very unlilkely that anything of that ring would be seen on the underside of the rifle and looking at it face on from the right side... as in the photo... I still believe there is more evidence supporting wrong rifle wrong ring than same rifle same ring... Thanks for posting the images you wish to discuss... and sure... I'll discuss it with you wherever you want DJ 
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June 24, 2011, 05:21:22 PM
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 what's this about running away??? where'd you go Geoff?  You make a big deal about the ring... and when you get shown... you run? what up with that Geoff?
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August 14, 2011, 10:55:37 PM
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I do have a question.
did Oswald wearing rings on his both hands always ?
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September 28, 2011, 07:11:43 PM
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Until you told me about it I didn't even know it was here Geoff... Let's not assume silence equates to anything but having something more important to do at the moment as opposed to ignoring you... K? Truth? hardly... but a good presentation of your case for sure... one question though... in one case we see the ring on the underside of the rifle with what appears to be a knot on the left side of this ring... in the other case you have a rope attached to a ring that looks to me could be either on the side or underneath... I think you make an interesting point yet given the one photo with the ring under the rifle, the ad that shows the ring to be underneath and the photo of the TSBD rifle showing it very unlilkely that anything of that ring would be seen on the underside of the rifle and looking at it face on from the right side... as in the photo... I still believe there is more evidence supporting wrong rifle wrong ring than same rifle same ring... Thanks for posting the images you wish to discuss... and sure... I'll discuss it with you wherever you want DJ David, The photos you posted all show the rings on the side.
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September 28, 2011, 11:34:00 PM
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Above are the 3 BY photos. In the first one, this photo has been enlarged many, many times, put in articles, on the web on forums like this one, with the claim that it clearly shows the rifle sling is mounted on the bottom of the rifle. This is not a fact, it is simply another CT twist of the facts. CTs like the 1st photo because of this illusion. It's interesting that the side of the rifle stock that has the side sling mount isn't even visible in this view, but this doesn't seem to prevent some CTs from making this claim. As I have looked at these photos over the years, I can't really even decide if there is a sling on the rifle at all in these pictures, or if what we are seeing is a bit of rope tied on to the rifle. But that really doesn't matter, because if you look carefully at the 2nd and 3rd BY photos, they seem to show that this sling is mounted using the side mount on the rifle stock. It is certainly not mounted from the underside of the rifle, as can be seen in this enlargement below. I apologize for the red circle, which has nothing to do with the sling coming off the side of the rifle. I found this image on the web, at some CT's site, who was theorizing that something is wrong with the hand in the photo. What ever. The point here is, nobody can look at the sling in this view and claim it is mounted on the bottom of the rifle stock. #3 below. I have done a bit of lighting manipulation to both of these latter photos. Again, the sling is not in line with an underside mounted sling swivel, which would be centered on the bottom of the stock, it is clearly mounted to the right of center. In other words from the side mount. The top of the sling, where it loops around (presumably) the metal sling swivel, is not in line with the center of the underside of the stock, but it is in line with the side of the stock, right where you'd expect it to be for a side mount sling swivel. I don't know what your point is. We already knew that it was not a leather sling, but instead was rope, cord or string or whatever you want to call it. In case you didn't know, the kooks claim the swivel mounts indicate a different model rifle. But then the HSCA proved that it was Oswald's rifle by identifying the unique wear marks.
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September 28, 2011, 11:35:27 PM
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Once again, not a single response from a CT. The truth is hard to face up to, isn't it? Miles? David? Rob? You are awfully quiet. Even though right now in the General category there is at least 1 of you promoting the sling is on the bottom nonsense...why not promote it here in this thread?
I think you misunderstand. The kooks are not arguing about the sling. They are arguing about the swivel mounts.
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September 28, 2011, 11:39:02 PM
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I do have a question.
did Oswald wearing rings on his both hands always ?
No, he didn't. He usually wore both his wedding ring and his Marine Corps ring. But on 11/22/63 he left his wedding ring in a cup on the dresser at the Paine's house. I think he was sending her a signal that the separation would be permanent.
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