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 April 23, 2011, 03:12:26 AM
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It has been said that nobody was behind the fence during the attack. It has also been said that the smoke seen on the GK is exhaust or steam.
I demonstrated multiple people on the overpass who saw smoke which coincided with the attack.
This is not a point that an assassin fired. This is a point that SOMEONE was there.
Holland, Dodd, Murphy, and ilk, all described a puff of smoke.All unanimously describe it as smoke, steam or exhaust. None describe a massive cloud, or a lasting smoke. Merely a 'puff' as if off that of a cigarette.
Immediately following the shooting, Holland and ilk made their way around the overpass, to behind the fence in the parking lot. A 'sea of cars'. When they got to the spot where they saw the smoke, they found numerous tracks. Described, as hundreds. It can be noted, that it rained, and as Bill Brown pointed out, the parking lot was unpaved. Naturally foot prints were everywhere. However, the description of this spot where the smoke was seen was indicated to be isolated. As if someone was walking back and forth along the fence-line. Several cigarette butts were discovered in this particular spot. Mud was discovered to have been scraped off on the bumper of a car parked very near the fence, as well as on the wooden planks within the fence itself.
Moorman took her infamous photo fractions of a second after Kennedy was hit (this is the consensus). In the photo, a figure, as if only the top of an individuals head can be seen in the exact spot Holland and ilk saw the smoke. This figure is not imaginative. It takes to crayons or cinematic interpretation to identify. It is proportionately accurate to an individual directly behind the fence, whether they are rather short a tad over 5 feet) or they are crouching/ducking. This image has yet to be replicated.
The ultimate point here, is that all indications point to SOMEONE being in that particular spot. I would like to ask the members of this board whether this is the case or not.
My contention is that whoever this person was, may have been smoking, and was behind the fence. I think there is more than enough reason to conclude this.
The steam pipe is not in the correct area to cause the possible puff of smoke. Car exhaust is not ruled out, but considering the uniformity of the motorcade, and the coinciding of the puff WITH the shooting (not after as many claim), seem to rule this out.
This spot has a possible image in the Moorman photo.
This spot had hundreds of footprints after the shooting.
This spot had several cigarette butts strewn about.
This spot had mud on the bumpers of a car parked right up to the fence.
This spot had mud on the fence itself.
There was someone there during the attack.
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April 23, 2011, 03:24:14 AM
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It has been said that nobody was behind the fence during the attack. It has also been said that the smoke seen on the GK is exhaust or steam.
I demonstrated multiple people on the overpass who saw smoke which coincided with the attack.
This is not a point that an assassin fired. This is a point that SOMEONE was there.
Holland, Dodd, Murphy, and ilk, all described a puff of smoke.All unanimously describe it as smoke, steam or exhaust. None describe a massive cloud, or a lasting smoke. Merely a 'puff' as if off that of a cigarette.
Immediately following the shooting, Holland and ilk made their way around the overpass, to behind the fence in the parking lot. A 'sea of cars'. When they got to the spot where they saw the smoke, they found numerous tracks. Described, as hundreds. It can be noted, that it rained, and as Bill Brown pointed out, the parking lot was unpaved. Naturally foot prints were everywhere. However, the description of this spot where the smoke was seen was indicated to be isolated. As if someone was walking back and forth along the fence-line. Several cigarette butts were discovered in this particular spot. Mud was discovered to have been scraped off on the bumper of a car parked very near the fence, as well as on the wooden planks within the fence itself.
Moorman took her infamous photo fractions of a second after Kennedy was hit (this is the consensus). In the photo, a figure, as if only the top of an individuals head can be seen in the exact spot Holland and ilk saw the smoke. This figure is not imaginative. It takes to crayons or cinematic interpretation to identify. It is proportionately accurate to an individual directly behind the fence, whether they are rather short a tad over 5 feet) or they are crouching/ducking. This image has yet to be replicated.
The ultimate point here, is that all indications point to SOMEONE being in that particular spot. I would like to ask the members of this board whether this is the case or not.
My contention is that whoever this person was, may have been smoking, and was behind the fence. I think there is more than enough reason to conclude this.
The steam pipe is not in the correct area to cause the possible puff of smoke. Car exhaust is not ruled out, but considering the uniformity of the motorcade, and the coinciding of the puff WITH the shooting (not after as many claim), seem to rule this out.
This spot has a possible image in the Moorman photo.
This spot had hundreds of footprints after the shooting.
This spot had several cigarette butts strewn about.
This spot had mud on the bumpers of a car parked right up to the fence.
This spot had mud on the fence itself.
There was someone there during the attack.
Why does any of that indicate a person was there during the attack?
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April 23, 2011, 05:05:59 AM
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I agree someone, possibly more than one was there. I also believe someone fired at JFK from that position and tend to believe it was James Files.
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April 23, 2011, 05:16:16 AM
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well behind the fence is where people park their cars. and there were cars behind the fence. people arrive to go to work at either the railroad yard or the TSBD that morning. as far as cigarette butts. i believe that smokers usually either put their butts in their containers in their cars or toss them on the ground. as far as fresh foot prints, didn't it rain that morning. and the area behind the fence was dirt not concrete. so naturally areas under the trees where the sun could not dry it and where the dirt has turn to mud from the rain that morning would have still been muddy and damped. people arriving in their cars would leave foot prints. so naturally you are going to have footprints all over the place from the employees
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April 23, 2011, 05:22:42 AM
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Unlikely that someone is behind the fence shooting at JFKs head as it is tilted left because:
A. The shot would have caused more damage to the left side of JFK skull as there is only a slight crack that extends left of centerline as seen in the drawings that Anthony Marsh posted in another thread. OR, there has to be a fragmentation type projectile that did not exit, and caused most of the spatter to go forward and up from the right front of JFKs head, and at the same time caused a back wound lower and mostly to the right of the skull centerline.(if Bethesda witness description is right)
B. Have to have been in a position forward enough to get the angle that corresponds to what the autopsy photos and analysis that David posted. Such a position would have to shoot thru the 3 men standing on the steps, or be from even farther forward of the limo, near the far sewer. Since no one has shown a head that far down the fence, and no one has shown how the far sewer shooter could even shoot without being seen, its not very probable. Any farther forward and either windshield is in way, or railway workers would see immediately.
C. Frame by Frame of Zapruder shows JFK head move forward at moment of impact at 312/313.
D. There is no indication of any shot to the head after 313, as there is no sudden head movement from another impact, and no more spatter seen.
JFKs skull does collapse further as seen by frame 360, but this is due to implosion, and loss of brain matter, such that the skull fragments collapse, being held in place only by hair.
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April 23, 2011, 07:16:09 AM
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It has been said that nobody was behind the fence during the attack. It has also been said that the smoke seen on the GK is exhaust or steam.
I demonstrated multiple people on the overpass who saw smoke which coincided with the attack.
This is not a point that an assassin fired. This is a point that SOMEONE was there.
Holland, Dodd, Murphy, and ilk, all described a puff of smoke.All unanimously describe it as smoke, steam or exhaust. None describe a massive cloud, or a lasting smoke. Merely a 'puff' as if off that of a cigarette.
Immediately following the shooting, Holland and ilk made their way around the overpass, to behind the fence in the parking lot. A 'sea of cars'. When they got to the spot where they saw the smoke, they found numerous tracks. Described, as hundreds. It can be noted, that it rained, and as Bill Brown pointed out, the parking lot was unpaved. Naturally foot prints were everywhere. However, the description of this spot where the smoke was seen was indicated to be isolated. As if someone was walking back and forth along the fence-line. Several cigarette butts were discovered in this particular spot. Mud was discovered to have been scraped off on the bumper of a car parked very near the fence, as well as on the wooden planks within the fence itself.
Moorman took her infamous photo fractions of a second after Kennedy was hit (this is the consensus). In the photo, a figure, as if only the top of an individuals head can be seen in the exact spot Holland and ilk saw the smoke. This figure is not imaginative. It takes to crayons or cinematic interpretation to identify. It is proportionately accurate to an individual directly behind the fence, whether they are rather short a tad over 5 feet) or they are crouching/ducking. This image has yet to be replicated.
The ultimate point here, is that all indications point to SOMEONE being in that particular spot. I would like to ask the members of this board whether this is the case or not.
My contention is that whoever this person was, may have been smoking, and was behind the fence. I think there is more than enough reason to conclude this.
The steam pipe is not in the correct area to cause the possible puff of smoke. Car exhaust is not ruled out, but considering the uniformity of the motorcade, and the coinciding of the puff WITH the shooting (not after as many claim), seem to rule this out.
This spot has a possible image in the Moorman photo.
This spot had hundreds of footprints after the shooting.
This spot had several cigarette butts strewn about.
This spot had mud on the bumpers of a car parked right up to the fence.
This spot had mud on the fence itself.
There was someone there during the attack.
Some of your points help but others are superfluous. There may have been hundreds of footprints in that area from the railroad workers who ran around to that area just after the shooting. The mud on the car bumper does not indicate the shooter stood on a car bumper. There was no need to do that to shoot over the fence. The fence was only 5 feet tall. In the 1978 shooting tests the DPD marksman shot from behind the fence easily just standing on the ground. Don't forget to add that Bowers saw a couple of men in that area earlier. And no one else was there when Joe Smith ran into the fake Secret Service agent.
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April 23, 2011, 08:54:03 AM
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It has been said that nobody was behind the fence during the attack. It has also been said that the smoke seen on the GK is exhaust or steam.
I demonstrated multiple people on the overpass who saw smoke which coincided with the attack.
This is not a point that an assassin fired. This is a point that SOMEONE was there.
Holland, Dodd, Murphy, and ilk, all described a puff of smoke.All unanimously describe it as smoke, steam or exhaust. None describe a massive cloud, or a lasting smoke. Merely a 'puff' as if off that of a cigarette.
Immediately following the shooting, Holland and ilk made their way around the overpass, to behind the fence in the parking lot. A 'sea of cars'. When they got to the spot where they saw the smoke, they found numerous tracks. Described, as hundreds. It can be noted, that it rained, and as Bill Brown pointed out, the parking lot was unpaved. Naturally foot prints were everywhere. However, the description of this spot where the smoke was seen was indicated to be isolated. As if someone was walking back and forth along the fence-line. Several cigarette butts were discovered in this particular spot. Mud was discovered to have been scraped off on the bumper of a car parked very near the fence, as well as on the wooden planks within the fence itself.
Moorman took her infamous photo fractions of a second after Kennedy was hit (this is the consensus). In the photo, a figure, as if only the top of an individuals head can be seen in the exact spot Holland and ilk saw the smoke. This figure is not imaginative. It takes to crayons or cinematic interpretation to identify. It is proportionately accurate to an individual directly behind the fence, whether they are rather short a tad over 5 feet) or they are crouching/ducking. This image has yet to be replicated.
The ultimate point here, is that all indications point to SOMEONE being in that particular spot. I would like to ask the members of this board whether this is the case or not.
My contention is that whoever this person was, may have been smoking, and was behind the fence. I think there is more than enough reason to conclude this.
The steam pipe is not in the correct area to cause the possible puff of smoke. Car exhaust is not ruled out, but considering the uniformity of the motorcade, and the coinciding of the puff WITH the shooting (not after as many claim), seem to rule this out.
This spot has a possible image in the Moorman photo.
This spot had hundreds of footprints after the shooting.
This spot had several cigarette butts strewn about.
This spot had mud on the bumpers of a car parked right up to the fence.
This spot had mud on the fence itself.
There was someone there during the attack.
Some of your points help but others are superfluous. There may have been hundreds of footprints in that area from the railroad workers who ran around to that area just after the shooting. The mud on the car bumper does not indicate the shooter stood on a car bumper. There was no need to do that to shoot over the fence. The fence was only 5 feet tall. In the 1978 shooting tests the DPD marksman shot from behind the fence easily just standing on the ground. Don't forget to add that Bowers saw a couple of men in that area earlier. And no one else was there when Joe Smith ran into the fake Secret Service agent. Mike, I think what I presented certainly may indicate someone was behind the fence smoking at the time of the shooting. To all others, I am not trying to say a shooter fired from here. I am not proposing an assassin. All I want is a yes or no that someone could have been behind the fence at the time of the shooting, in that particular spot.
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April 23, 2011, 09:44:38 AM
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Well there could have been someone there but there is no one in the pictures so it's not likely.
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April 23, 2011, 10:38:39 AM
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It has been said that nobody was behind the fence during the attack. It has also been said that the smoke seen on the GK is exhaust or steam.
I demonstrated multiple people on the overpass who saw smoke which coincided with the attack.
This is not a point that an assassin fired. This is a point that SOMEONE was there.
Holland, Dodd, Murphy, and ilk, all described a puff of smoke.All unanimously describe it as smoke, steam or exhaust. None describe a massive cloud, or a lasting smoke. Merely a 'puff' as if off that of a cigarette.
Immediately following the shooting, Holland and ilk made their way around the overpass, to behind the fence in the parking lot. A 'sea of cars'. When they got to the spot where they saw the smoke, they found numerous tracks. Described, as hundreds. It can be noted, that it rained, and as Bill Brown pointed out, the parking lot was unpaved. Naturally foot prints were everywhere. However, the description of this spot where the smoke was seen was indicated to be isolated. As if someone was walking back and forth along the fence-line. Several cigarette butts were discovered in this particular spot. Mud was discovered to have been scraped off on the bumper of a car parked very near the fence, as well as on the wooden planks within the fence itself.
Moorman took her infamous photo fractions of a second after Kennedy was hit (this is the consensus). In the photo, a figure, as if only the top of an individuals head can be seen in the exact spot Holland and ilk saw the smoke. This figure is not imaginative. It takes to crayons or cinematic interpretation to identify. It is proportionately accurate to an individual directly behind the fence, whether they are rather short a tad over 5 feet) or they are crouching/ducking. This image has yet to be replicated.
The ultimate point here, is that all indications point to SOMEONE being in that particular spot. I would like to ask the members of this board whether this is the case or not.
My contention is that whoever this person was, may have been smoking, and was behind the fence. I think there is more than enough reason to conclude this.
The steam pipe is not in the correct area to cause the possible puff of smoke. Car exhaust is not ruled out, but considering the uniformity of the motorcade, and the coinciding of the puff WITH the shooting (not after as many claim), seem to rule this out.
This spot has a possible image in the Moorman photo.
This spot had hundreds of footprints after the shooting.
This spot had several cigarette butts strewn about.
This spot had mud on the bumpers of a car parked right up to the fence.
This spot had mud on the fence itself.
There was someone there during the attack.
Some of your points help but others are superfluous. There may have been hundreds of footprints in that area from the railroad workers who ran around to that area just after the shooting. The mud on the car bumper does not indicate the shooter stood on a car bumper. There was no need to do that to shoot over the fence. The fence was only 5 feet tall. In the 1978 shooting tests the DPD marksman shot from behind the fence easily just standing on the ground. Don't forget to add that Bowers saw a couple of men in that area earlier. And no one else was there when Joe Smith ran into the fake Secret Service agent. Mike, I think what I presented certainly may indicate someone was behind the fence smoking at the time of the shooting. To all others, I am not trying to say a shooter fired from here. I am not proposing an assassin. All I want is a yes or no that someone could have been behind the fence at the time of the shooting, in that particular spot. The things you posted show that at sometime there was someone smoking. At sometime there was someone walking there. There is nothing that shows someone was there during the shooting, as there is nothing in any photo evidence of anyone being there.
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April 23, 2011, 12:37:01 PM
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It has been said that nobody was behind the fence during the attack. It has also been said that the smoke seen on the GK is exhaust or steam.
I demonstrated multiple people on the overpass who saw smoke which coincided with the attack.
This is not a point that an assassin fired. This is a point that SOMEONE was there.
Holland, Dodd, Murphy, and ilk, all described a puff of smoke.All unanimously describe it as smoke, steam or exhaust. None describe a massive cloud, or a lasting smoke. Merely a 'puff' as if off that of a cigarette.
Immediately following the shooting, Holland and ilk made their way around the overpass, to behind the fence in the parking lot. A 'sea of cars'. When they got to the spot where they saw the smoke, they found numerous tracks. Described, as hundreds. It can be noted, that it rained, and as Bill Brown pointed out, the parking lot was unpaved. Naturally foot prints were everywhere. However, the description of this spot where the smoke was seen was indicated to be isolated. As if someone was walking back and forth along the fence-line. Several cigarette butts were discovered in this particular spot. Mud was discovered to have been scraped off on the bumper of a car parked very near the fence, as well as on the wooden planks within the fence itself.
Moorman took her infamous photo fractions of a second after Kennedy was hit (this is the consensus). In the photo, a figure, as if only the top of an individuals head can be seen in the exact spot Holland and ilk saw the smoke. This figure is not imaginative. It takes to crayons or cinematic interpretation to identify. It is proportionately accurate to an individual directly behind the fence, whether they are rather short a tad over 5 feet) or they are crouching/ducking. This image has yet to be replicated.
The ultimate point here, is that all indications point to SOMEONE being in that particular spot. I would like to ask the members of this board whether this is the case or not.
My contention is that whoever this person was, may have been smoking, and was behind the fence. I think there is more than enough reason to conclude this.
The steam pipe is not in the correct area to cause the possible puff of smoke. Car exhaust is not ruled out, but considering the uniformity of the motorcade, and the coinciding of the puff WITH the shooting (not after as many claim), seem to rule this out.
This spot has a possible image in the Moorman photo.
This spot had hundreds of footprints after the shooting.
This spot had several cigarette butts strewn about.
This spot had mud on the bumpers of a car parked right up to the fence.
This spot had mud on the fence itself.
There was someone there during the attack.
Some of your points help but others are superfluous. There may have been hundreds of footprints in that area from the railroad workers who ran around to that area just after the shooting. The mud on the car bumper does not indicate the shooter stood on a car bumper. There was no need to do that to shoot over the fence. The fence was only 5 feet tall. In the 1978 shooting tests the DPD marksman shot from behind the fence easily just standing on the ground. Don't forget to add that Bowers saw a couple of men in that area earlier. And no one else was there when Joe Smith ran into the fake Secret Service agent. Mike, I think what I presented certainly may indicate someone was behind the fence smoking at the time of the shooting. To all others, I am not trying to say a shooter fired from here. I am not proposing an assassin. All I want is a yes or no that someone could have been behind the fence at the time of the shooting, in that particular spot. The things you posted show that at sometime there was someone smoking. At sometime there was someone walking there. There is nothing that shows someone was there during the shooting, as there is nothing in any photo evidence of anyone being there.sure there is:  credit: Rick Needham and again:  and this is just Zapruder
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