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See the animation I made using 19 consecutive Bell film frames. Does this business looking type man look to have a walkie talkie drawn to his mouth and then
we begin to see him lowering it right at the end of the animation?? Maybe it's just a transistor radio?? Just like DCM...there looks to be a "bunch" in his shirt... near the small
of his back.
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April 01, 2009, 04:32:59 AM
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These are all very good points Martin :) Somehow I missed this posting of yours. I want to study these Bell frames much closer.
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Great Rick. I thought you dropped it. I've seen lately "Oswald's Ghost" on TV. There was a sequence of this particular Bell frames broadcasted with an outstanding quality. Unfortunately i didn't recorded it. But with the required software it's possible to capture that frames the DVD as far as Robins told once. I can try to purchase it if you don't call it your own. Martin It's too bad you weren't able to record that Martin. Is there anyway you can get better quality frames from Bell than what you see below? The smaller frame is the original frame as it was extracted from the film. The larger frame is an attempt to enhance the image shock2 Rick
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December 03, 2009, 08:36:14 PM
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Robin, I like that photo that you just posted. Brennan can be seen, wearing his construction helmet, talking to a police officer and looking up toward the window where he saw the assassin and the rifle.
Now then Bill, forgive me if I'm mistaken but isn't he standing outside of the Daltex building? If so I'd say he's looking up at that. If he's looking at the TSBD then I think he's staring at the tenth!!! floor or thereabouts.
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December 03, 2009, 11:45:23 PM
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William,
Yes, you do see the Dal-Tex building in the background. However, in my opinion, Brennan is not looking up at that building. If he were, we would see the back of his head full on, not the left side of his head that we do see. I believe he is clearly looking up at the Depository.
In addition, why would Brennan, of all people, be looking up at the Dal-Tex building? He is undoubtedly of the opinion that the shooter was in the 6th floor window of the Depository.
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December 04, 2009, 07:39:27 AM
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See the animation I made using 19 consecutive Bell film frames. Does this business looking type man look to have a walkie talkie drawn to his mouth and then
we begin to see him lowering it right at the end of the animation?? Maybe it's just a transistor radio?? Just like DCM...there looks to be a "bunch" in his shirt... near the small
of his back.
Rick Needham
IMO it looks like he is taking a drag off a ciggerette His hand is held sideways with his two fingers pointing left in the classic smokers position The film pans to the side before the man exhales smoke Watch the GIF a couple times and picture a man smoking
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December 04, 2009, 02:53:49 PM
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See the animation I made using 19 consecutive Bell film frames. Does this business looking type man look to have a walkie talkie drawn to his mouth and then
we begin to see him lowering it right at the end of the animation?? Maybe it's just a transistor radio?? Just like DCM...there looks to be a "bunch" in his shirt... near the small
of his back.
Rick Needham
IMO it looks like he is taking a drag off a ciggerette His hand is held sideways with his two fingers pointing left in the classic smokers position The film pans to the side before the man exhales smoke Watch the GIF a couple times and picture a man smoking Dean, The animated gif does not pan anywhere. It was made to eliminate Bell's panning movement. The two versions I have presented here either fade to black at the very end, or the last frame is repeated several times at the end to signify just where it ends before looping over once again. As far your opinion he's taking a drag from a cigarette, I will have to disagree here. Being a smoker myself, I just don't see it. IF he is smoking, then he's also holding a walkie talkie in that hand as well walkietalkie2 Just my 2 cents. You can see the other, larger version of the animated gif that I constructed
here:As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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December 04, 2009, 05:33:55 PM
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See the animation I made using 19 consecutive Bell film frames. Does this business looking type man look to have a walkie talkie drawn to his mouth and then
we begin to see him lowering it right at the end of the animation?? Maybe it's just a transistor radio?? Just like DCM...there looks to be a "bunch" in his shirt... near the small
of his back.
Rick Needham
IMO it looks like he is taking a drag off a ciggerette His hand is held sideways with his two fingers pointing left in the classic smokers position The film pans to the side before the man exhales smoke Watch the GIF a couple times and picture a man smoking Dean, The animated gif does not pan anywhere. It was made to eliminate Bell's panning movement. The two versions I have presented here either fade to black at the very end, or the last frame is repeated several times at the end to signify just where it ends before looping over once again. As far your opinion he's taking a drag from a cigarette, I will have to disagree here. Being a smoker myself, I just don't see it. IF he is smoking, then he's also holding a walkie talkie in that hand as well walkietalkie2 Just my 2 cents. You can see the other, larger version of the animated gif that I constructed
here:As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginRick Rick Where did I say that your GIF pans to the side, or the other version you posted pans to the side? I did not say that I said "the film pans to the side before the man exhales smoke" Just pop in Grodens Assassination Films and watch the Bell film (as I did on my 62 inch TV) and you see just what I said the film pans to the side before he exhales I did not use your GIF or other version to look for smoke, instead i turned to my own TV and film However in my last sentence I said watch the GIF a couple times because the GIF playing over and over looks like a man smoking
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December 04, 2009, 07:47:59 PM
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See the animation I made using 19 consecutive Bell film frames. Does this business looking type man look to have a walkie talkie drawn to his mouth and then
we begin to see him lowering it right at the end of the animation?? Maybe it's just a transistor radio?? Just like DCM...there looks to be a "bunch" in his shirt... near the small
of his back.
Rick Needham
IMO it looks like he is taking a drag off a ciggerette His hand is held sideways with his two fingers pointing left in the classic smokers position The film pans to the side before the man exhales smoke Watch the GIF a couple times and picture a man smoking Dean, The animated gif does not pan anywhere. It was made to eliminate Bell's panning movement. The two versions I have presented here either fade to black at the very end, or the last frame is repeated several times at the end to signify just where it ends before looping over once again. As far your opinion he's taking a drag from a cigarette, I will have to disagree here. Being a smoker myself, I just don't see it. IF he is smoking, then he's also holding a walkie talkie in that hand as well walkietalkie2 Just my 2 cents. You can see the other, larger version of the animated gif that I constructed
here:As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginRick Rick Where did I say that your GIF pans to the side, or the other version you posted pans to the side? I did not say that I said "the film pans to the side before the man exhales smoke" Just pop in Grodens Assassination Films and watch the Bell film (as I did on my 62 inch TV) and you see just what I said the film pans to the side before he exhales I did not use your GIF or other version to look for smoke, instead i turned to my own TV and film However in my last sentence I said watch the GIF a couple times because the GIF playing over and over looks like a man smoking
Ok. I see what you meant now by the film pans to the side. Exactly. Bell was panning towards his right
in this filming segment, or in the general direction of the triple overpass.
I have seen the Bell film many times over Dean, as I too have Groden's "Assassination Films" on CD.
The only point I disagree with you on is your thoughts that this business looking man is smoking
a cigarette, and exhaling smoke. Watch as he draws his right hand away & downward from in front of
his mouth, which at first is not seen. When "something" does come into view, I'm not seeing a cigarette
in his hand. I'm seeing what must be a walkie talkie, and not a portable transistor radio, because no one
listens to a radio with their mouth. And...I'm glimpsing in certain frames what looks to be a small antenna
too. Walkie talkie antennas can sometimes extend outward a good 2-3 feet when fully extended. Here it
looks quite short, but since communications were likely a very short distance, the antenna would not
require to be fully extended. And yes, this is speculation on my part here.
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December 04, 2009, 10:54:19 PM
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See the animation I made using 19 consecutive Bell film frames. Does this business looking type man look to have a walkie talkie drawn to his mouth and then
we begin to see him lowering it right at the end of the animation?? Maybe it's just a transistor radio?? Just like DCM...there looks to be a "bunch" in his shirt... near the small
of his back.
Rick Needham
IMO it looks like he is taking a drag off a ciggerette His hand is held sideways with his two fingers pointing left in the classic smokers position The film pans to the side before the man exhales smoke Watch the GIF a couple times and picture a man smoking Dean, The animated gif does not pan anywhere. It was made to eliminate Bell's panning movement. The two versions I have presented here either fade to black at the very end, or the last frame is repeated several times at the end to signify just where it ends before looping over once again. As far your opinion he's taking a drag from a cigarette, I will have to disagree here. Being a smoker myself, I just don't see it. IF he is smoking, then he's also holding a walkie talkie in that hand as well walkietalkie2 Just my 2 cents. You can see the other, larger version of the animated gif that I constructed
here:As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginRick Rick Where did I say that your GIF pans to the side, or the other version you posted pans to the side? I did not say that I said "the film pans to the side before the man exhales smoke" Just pop in Grodens Assassination Films and watch the Bell film (as I did on my 62 inch TV) and you see just what I said the film pans to the side before he exhales I did not use your GIF or other version to look for smoke, instead i turned to my own TV and film However in my last sentence I said watch the GIF a couple times because the GIF playing over and over looks like a man smoking
Ok. I see what you meant now by the film pans to the side. Exactly. Bell was panning towards his right
in this filming segment, or in the general direction of the triple overpass.
I have seen the Bell film many times over Dean, as I too have Groden's "Assassination Films" on CD.
The only point I disagree with you on is your thoughts that this business looking man is smoking
a cigarette, and exhaling smoke. Watch as he draws his right hand away & downward from in front of
his mouth, which at first is not seen. When "something" does come into view, I'm not seeing a cigarette
in his hand. I'm seeing what must be a walkie talkie, and not a portable transistor radio, because no one
listens to a radio with their mouth. And...I'm glimpsing in certain frames what looks to be a small antenna
too. Walkie talkie antennas can sometimes extend outward a good 2-3 feet when fully extended. Here it
looks quite short, but since communications were likely a very short distance, the antenna would not
require to be fully extended. And yes, this is speculation on my part here.
helloxx
RickRick I see what you are saying You could be right Remember im not saying that the man IS smoking a cigg in the Bell film, its just an opinion (And it is probably wrong, its just the first thing that popped into my head as what it looks like the man is doing) It looks to me like this This man just witnessed the assassination first hand He is stressed out after seeing his president get shot in the head It looks like he takes a long drag off a cigg and when the drag ends he brings his hand down to his side But the part that would verify if he was smoking (the exhale) is cut off as Bell was panning Your theory is alot better then mine Like I said its just what it looked like he was doing to me when I view the Bell Film and your GIF Dean
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Credit: Peter Lemkin. In a poorer quality image this man could have been mistakenly identified as a walkie talkie man talking into it. The Bell frames that we have at present just don't give the clarity needed to make a resonable identification. walkietalkie2 
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