Mike -
Why is it, when person after person talks about frontal shots... the shot to the throat, the shot to the "face", "temple", "right temple", "right side between temple and ear", "shots coming from right across from us", "shots coming from the front right (SS agents in the backup car)", "get men to that overpass and RR yard - find out what happened up there", "I was holding the back of his head on", "there was a huge hole in the right rear of his head", "the shots came from behind and to my right (Zappy)"...
all that is, is pure BS to you??... Not a single person who says this is right... not a single one of the almost 60 at the scene were right...
Then you are saying you believe that all the xrays and Z film as well as all the autopsy photos are faked forged or altered?
Because that IS what it takes to prove a front head shot. Period.
A fingerprint cannot be forged with the same ease as handwritting... and no, Oswald is not know for using Hidell in any other case but the rifle, pistol, and Money Orders... if you have an example of a previous use to establish a pattern of his using this alias, please provide....
So all the fingerprint and handwriting evidence is faked forged or altered as well?
Alek Hidell at that PO Box DID NOT EXIST... Mike... simple as that. As Holmes and the WCR states... Hidell was NOT listed to receive maill at this PO Box... for those purposes the address never existed....
And has been proven over and over this would not have stopped him from getting the package.....I have had a PO Box and I got stuff with other peoples names all the time....so what?
The Bag again??? How again did he make it and get it home to begin with? If you cant have him making it and transporting it home... what other fairy tales can you conjer up for that bag???
Better yet how did the DPD make it up? It was photographed 1 hour after the assassination, being removed from the building, before Randal and Frazier were even interviewed! It has his prints on it. Are Randal and Frazier part of the plot too, even though they had already removed the bag before talking to wither of them?
Are Oswalds prints on that bag planted and forged?
Ted Calloway saw a man running (also loading a pistol I believe??)... he says he looked like Oswald... he identified him in a line-up of peers rofl (wasn't it Whaley who said you didn;t even need to look at the men, by the way he was yelling you could pick him out easily)
Did Calloway see him shooting Tippit? Did anyone other than Markham.. who's claim winds up being similiar to Clemons' description?
He did not say he looked like Oswald he said it WAS Oswald. Period. Just like the other 5.
Oh wait, are they all in on it too? Part of the plot....Jesus this thing must have had one hell of a payroll.....
The rifle does NOT trace to him in any way... got the wrong rifle, the uncashed Money Order, the out of order sequence of the MO, the entire post office box situation, the fact that the COD charges for the pistol were never paid, nor were there any reciepts for delivery and pickup of firearms... but if YOU SAY SO... then it must be true, right?
And YET! A rifle appears as if from magic with Oswalds fingerprints on it! AND I suppose Jesus just miracled the same rifle into the back yard photos that Marina admits taking?????
So NOW Marina is in on it, and all the people at the post office and those who planted that rifle!
The fact you believe there was a real investigation is a huge problem to begin with... when the physical evidence, IN NO WAY RESEMBLES WHAT MANY, MANY WITNESSES RECOUNT, then a more detailed look at this physical evidence is called for.... and when this is done and we find problems at all stages with this evidence, one must look back to witnesses... what do the majority of witnesses say happened and how does that jive with the physical evidence... and once again... the case is only against Oswald... not a single other lead was "investigated"... this isn't like any other case you've heard of...
The physical evidence supports the case 100%. Why should they have investigated anything else....all leads point to one man.....LHO.
The fact is you will not accept any evidence, period....
You state that him signing his visa application and getting the phone number of a woman... PLACES HIM IN MEXICO CITY?? Where do you come up with that leap Mike??
HOw do you find it so convenient to not even BOTHER with addressing the photos, tapes and declarations of Hoover to LBJ.... LHO was in Mexico City?? Prove it.
Prove he was not. The prosecution has plenty of evidence. You prove Oswald was not there.
Mike -
you don't clearly counter anything... you make statements that have no basis in evidence... you say the rifle can be traced to Oswald... then trace it buddy...!
Go over to the Ed Forum and deal with Gil Jesus' multi thread presentation of how and why the rifle and pistol have such problems... or refute Moyers paper on the rifle...
Gil Jesus, are you kidding me? Seriously. Gil Jesus is about the most idiotic person I have ever met who researches this case.
You explain to me how Oswalds rifle got to the depository with his fingerprints on it.....explain the back yard photos. Explain how the chain of evidence for the pistol is ROCK solid. Hill does this alone! He marked it, when he first received it, and identified it in his testimony.
Oh hell....I bet Hill was in on it too!
Not a single peice of evidence in this case gives you cause to be concerned, to question... not a single example of evidence pointing away from Oswald holds water for you???
Nothing significant.
The serial numbers on the rifle as seen from different sources, are indeed different...
When the last round was unchambered by Fritz, nothing fell out the bottom... in the films of Day and the rifle we see there is not clip in the rifle...
There is not a single shred of evidence that puts the clip in the TSBD.... bummer, huh? It just "appears" with the rifle at Day's office....
Well by golly they were different.
Good Lord. Buddy. Please. Dont play the rifle game with me. For one the magazine does not fall out when the last round is ejected, it falls out when the last round is chambered. Also, if you owned one, you would know the damn clips are spring steel in nature and have a habit of sticking in the weapon.
Does not appear to be in the depository?
Um......there is it.
I don't see how we can resolve any of this Mike... I am nowhere near as good at presenting the reasons there was a conspiracy and that Oswald did not do this, as people like Douglass, Weisberg, Lane, Lifton, Horne, Hancock, Wecht, Mantik, etc.... You can read As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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Frankly none of them are that good at doing anything other than hoodwinking those who know little about the facts.
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Login provides a great reading list.... is it that you just don't read alot of "WCR was wrong" literature? What essays/books/etc... do you expose yourself to in order to seek out the best information against your theories... ?? Better yet, read Manchester's book... he puts forth that Oswald did it... but also does not shy away from telling some of "it" like it was.... I have a tough time getting thru the Oswald parts since he is so anti-Oswald in his presentation (you should love it !!) but as a historical reference it's amazing.
I have read more conspiracy books than I have LN books. I started as a hard core CT David. Then I began looking into the facts, and guess what the CT crap falls apart. EVERYTIME.
And I don't know about you but I read these books with the internet ready... I follow the sources and read the original materials when referenced... try that with the WCR sometime... should be interesting for you...
in conclusion... a question... if this is so simple and such an easy read... why did it take the greatest supporter of the WCR, VB over 1700 pages and a CD of even more info to present his case???
How does this make "Oswald did it" easier to grasp for the almost 80% of the population who believe otherwise??
80% of the public only knows what the conspiracy hype says with all these idiotic books. How many do you think really waded through the WC and the actual real evidence?
The autopsy photographs and X-rays are genuine and they prove the head shot from the grassy knoll.
