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 February 19, 2009, 07:13:58 AM
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Use these animations and Zapruder frame 478 showing the yellow circled area to help base your answer.
Voters identities are completely unknown, so don't hesitate to cast your vote.
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April 07, 2009, 11:20:45 AM
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Alan, may i ask who this researcher is?
Thank you
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April 07, 2009, 11:55:11 AM
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Certainly not!
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April 07, 2009, 01:00:40 PM
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Ok yes you're correct it's not an immeadiate reaction(I never said that) & yes her story was embelished in later interviews(I don't use those statements of hers either), I'm just saying, her original statement in which she refers only to the knoll is backed up by the photographic record.
I know I brought up Hill for a reason, something you said about her earlier, if I find your quote I'll finish my point lips
Alan, Where did Jean Hill "refer to the knoll" in her original statements? As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginI looked across the street and up the hill and saw a man running toward the monument and I started running over there. By the time I got up to the rail road tracks some policeman that I suppose were in the motorcade or near by had also arrived and was turning us back and as I came back down the hill Mr. Featherstone...If that's not the knoll, then anyone who refered to the big red building on the corner of E & H must not have been talking about the TSBD. Let's not go there please. Alan, That was over 2 minutes after the shots. She wasn't there because she had seen anything suspicious, she was there because everyone else was.
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April 07, 2009, 01:05:36 PM
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Alan,
That was over 2 minutes after the shots. , she was there because everyone else was.
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April 08, 2009, 11:33:51 AM
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Alan,
That was over 2 minutes after the shots. She wasn't there because she had seen anything suspicious, she was there because everyone else was.
She may have seen the guy on the steps run away & possibly BDM too whoever he/she was, she saw Hargis jump of his bike & run to that exact spot. That is probably why she is seen in Bell with head fixed & looking right at that area. She ran to the knoll like she said she did originally. That's all I've said. I make it about 1min 40secs for that Bell scene with her on the steps but it could be more. How many people have ran up the steps before her I don't know but obviously more than ten. Just because she ran up there after these guys does not mean that was the only reason she ran that way. Lot's of people saw the rush to the knoll & did not follow at all. You cannot possibly know what she was thinking. I can guess too. I guess she thought the shots came from that area & only got enough courage to "check it out" after she saw a dozen or so others head that way. Why she thought the shots came from the knoll may have been just because of the immeadite "aftermath action", it's hard to say. It certainly influenced a lot of people that day.
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April 09, 2009, 07:44:14 AM
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The thing about Hargis that we can never know Martin is,
did he see activity behind the wall(innocent or otherwise) & run there to get a better look?
Sure makes sense to me.
His first impression was that the last shot may have came from there too.
If whoever was behind the wall at the time, decided to run into the RR yards just before Hargis runs towards them, this may have looked suspicious to him & he may of just caught a glimse of them running away.
That is why as he said, he jumped back on his bike & rid thru the UP to the otherside where, it is evident, he got off his bike again & ran up the west embankment to intercept them.
If you study the way the Chisms reacted you'll find they are all over the place, after a delayed reaction they run north-eastwards initially & then make this long dash for the UP.
Frightened of the photographers decending on the area??
I'm just saying it is possible Hargis was chasing an innocent person, who acted a bit "crazy" by running away.
Haygood IMO is influenced by Hargis.
Haygood testified that people were pointing that way & some were running up there... which was not exactly evident in the films & photos at that point(BOND4).
What does HE do when he comes to the scene?
He tries to jump the curb at the exact point he found Hargis who was just about to cross the street from the north curb to get back on his bike & indeed does so as Haygood approaches.
Just to finish on J Hill.
Bond9 or just after, has to be when she starts running for the GK & in the Bell scene that actually shows her up the steps ten seconds or so after that photo, we see her as one of the first in line.
If you look at Bond8 also, she appears to be looking down at something in her hand whilst standing next to her friend. So there are probably many reasons why she didn't run up the knoll immediatley & some are more obvious than others.
People who use WC testimony time & time again to provide "solid proof" of anything, have to believe Hill thought the shots came from the GK, because she makes it so abundantly clear there.
Her later statements of seeing a gunman & smoke cannot be used to completly dismiss her sworn testimony.
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April 10, 2009, 02:43:09 AM
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The real assassins never run away, that would be much too suspicious. They blend into the crowd.
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April 10, 2009, 09:43:12 AM
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or wait 10 - 15 minutes to leave, like Lee?
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