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 February 19, 2009, 07:13:58 AM
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Use these animations and Zapruder frame 478 showing the yellow circled area to help base your answer.
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February 25, 2009, 02:33:06 AM
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Rick,
Yes, his head is too small in Z.
Watch my movie from which I exported the previous frames.
Once he starts striding toward me, I count 16 strides. I say each stride is at least 2ft. That guess is on the conservative side.
So, he walks at least 32ft from his beginning point towards me.
Which means he's at least 32ft away from me, actually much more.
You say from the pedestal to your man behind the fence is approx. 27ft.
The head size of your man behind the fence, should at least be the size of my brother's head in the beginning of the film.
chris
Chris, I'm probably the last person Rick expects help from, but the Drommer survey for the HSCA puts the fence at that location approximately 50 feet away from Zapruder. Best to you, Jerry I hate to admit it Jerry, but when I read your post, you could have knocked me over with a feather :) If the Drommer survey is correct, then I would definitely say that the man's head in my discovery looks to be sized just right 10fjyfjfyg hat;; Thank you! *After viewing the Drommer Survey Map, I put the distance to my discovery man at approx. 55-57 feet from Zapruder's location on the pedestal.
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February 25, 2009, 03:14:38 AM
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Actually, I would say Drommer put's it at about 61.125 ft.
Now, How far is it from the pedestal to the tree in the other direction? Looks like about 130ft.
My brother walks at least 32ft. to where the movie ends.
How much more does he have to go to get to the pedestal? Compare him to the guy in the red jersey/baseball hat from the previous multiphoto collage. He's not that big, yet, so he's at least that distance from the pedestal, still.
The figure in Z still has to be similar in size to the animation I created using your yellow circle desigination, if not bigger, to work.
chris
My brother walks at least 32ft. to where the movie ends Chris, I would ask you to watch you're movie over again. He is far from walking in a straight line directly towards you. He zigs and then zags. Therefore, your distance of 32 ft. is inaccurate.
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February 25, 2009, 03:18:54 AM
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Actually, I would say Drommer put's it at about 61.125 ft.
Now, How far is it from the pedestal to the tree in the other direction? Looks like about 130ft.
My brother walks at least 32ft. to where the movie ends.
How much more does he have to go to get to the pedestal? Compare him to the guy in the red jersey/baseball hat from the previous multiphoto collage. He's not that big, yet, so he's at least that distance from the pedestal, still.
The figure in Z still has to be similar in size to the animation I created using your yellow circle desigination, if not bigger, to work.
chris
Also, your brother has taken two strides (and is now approx. 4 feet closer to you) before we can see his head in a side profile view, as we do with my man.
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« Last Edit: February 25, 2009, 11:39:52 AM by Rick Needham »
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February 25, 2009, 03:22:52 AM
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Actually, I would say Drommer put's it at about 61.125 ft.
Now, How far is it from the pedestal to the tree in the other direction? Looks like about 130ft.
My brother walks at least 32ft. to where the movie ends.
How much more does he have to go to get to the pedestal? Compare him to the guy in the red jersey/baseball hat from the previous multiphoto collage. He's not that big, yet, so he's at least that distance from the pedestal, still.
The figure in Z still has to be similar in size to the animation I created using your yellow circle desigination, if not bigger, to work.
chris
Actually, I would say Drommer put's it at about 61.125 ft. Looking at your graphic you posted of the Drommer Map, you have a red line drawn from Zapruder's location to the fence corner. My man is not at the corner. Why are you so gung-ho on trying to disprove what is clearly there? Do you see this mans head turn nearly 90 degrees in a five frame span in my animated gif or not? You must, or you would not keep wasting your time trying to disprove what is NOT even there to begin with. There were at least two men behind the stockade fence that day...because I have found them in both the Nix film, and now in the Zapruder film. charge; charge; charge;
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« Last Edit: February 25, 2009, 03:51:26 AM by Rick Needham »
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February 25, 2009, 05:07:26 AM
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Rick,
Go ahead and submit your discovery to the proper authorities.
Then,
When they ask you to shoot some footage with the same camera as Z, from the pedestal, with the lens setting on telephoto, then you can do a proper size analysis for your discovery.
I tried to help you prove there was someone behind the fence(Darnell film), so be it.
You have not created any comparison's what so ever, with any of my B/H 414 frames provided.
Good luck with someone else doing the same.
chris
Chris You dodged all of the points I made in my last three prior postings. And, the person seen behind the fence in the Darnell film was minutes after the shooting stopped....not mere seconds, as in what I have found in these two films. I never said I meant to submit anything, and I never asked you for your help. Regards, Rick Needham
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February 25, 2009, 10:30:09 AM
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Rick, Chris, Jerry i have a reworked version of the HSCA Survey Map in CAD which is pretty accurate.
I measure the distance from Z-Pedestal to fence (the point where we looking at) 52,5 feet.
The distance from Z-Pedestal to the tree trunk 108 and the distance to your brother (at the beginning) Chris, approx 75-80 feet
although this is just an estimate.
Martin
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February 25, 2009, 06:42:31 PM
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Rick,
Go ahead and submit your discovery to the proper authorities.
Then,
When they ask you to shoot some footage with the same camera as Z, from the pedestal, with the lens setting on telephoto, then you can do a proper size analysis for your discovery.
I tried to help you prove there was someone behind the fence(Darnell film), so be it.
You have not created any comparison's what so ever, with any of my B/H 414 frames provided.
Good luck with someone else doing the same.
chris
Chris You dodged all of the points I made in my last three prior postings. And, the person seen behind the fence in the Darnell film was minutes after the shooting stopped....not mere seconds, as in what I have found in these two films. I never said I meant to submit anything, and I never asked you for your help. Regards, Rick Needham Rick, You make it sound like I' trying to deceive everyone. If I had known 4 years ago while filming this, that a head turn was necessary, I would of had my brother turning his head every quarter of a second. Those were the closest frames I could find with a head turn. No, I don't see the figure in your discovery turning his head, I don't even see a figure there. The Drommer illustration I supplied has 2 red lines connecting the fence. Check it again. What does that have to do with anything? The whole point was to show the difference in distance between "pedestal to fence" and "pedestal to tree" regardless of which point on the fence you choose to use. And it's quite a difference. As I stated before, I gave you an even farther distance of 62ft from pedestal to your figure, than Jerry's updated 52ft. Which means your figure according to Jerry and Martin should be even bigger than what I estimated it to be. Martin has come up with my brother somewhere around 70-75ft away at his farthest point. Which means your figure needs to be larger than my brother, at his farthest distance away from the camera. There is no getting around it. Same camera used, same lens setting, same location. Apples to apples comparison's. chris
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February 25, 2009, 08:00:20 PM
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Rick,
Go ahead and submit your discovery to the proper authorities.
Then,
When they ask you to shoot some footage with the same camera as Z, from the pedestal, with the lens setting on telephoto, then you can do a proper size analysis for your discovery.
I tried to help you prove there was someone behind the fence(Darnell film), so be it.
You have not created any comparison's what so ever, with any of my B/H 414 frames provided.
Good luck with someone else doing the same.
chris
Chris You dodged all of the points I made in my last three prior postings. And, the person seen behind the fence in the Darnell film was minutes after the shooting stopped....not mere seconds, as in what I have found in these two films. I never said I meant to submit anything, and I never asked you for your help. Regards, Rick Needham Rick, You make it sound like I' trying to deceive everyone. If I had known 4 years ago while filming this, that a head turn was necessary, I would of had my brother turning his head every quarter of a second. Those were the closest frames I could find with a head turn. No, I don't see the figure in your discovery turning his head, I don't even see a figure there. The Drommer illustration I supplied has 2 red lines connecting the fence. Check it again. What does that have to do with anything? The whole point was to show the difference in distance between "pedestal to fence" and "pedestal to tree" regardless of which point on the fence you choose to use. And it's quite a difference. As I stated before, I gave you an even farther distance of 62ft from pedestal to your figure, than Jerry's updated 52ft. Which means your figure according to Jerry and Martin should be even bigger than what I estimated it to be. Martin has come up with my brother somewhere around 70-75ft away at his farthest point. Which means your figure needs to be larger than my brother, at his farthest distance away from the camera. There is no getting around it. Same camera used, same lens setting, same location. Apples to apples comparison's. chris Chris Does your Bell & Howell have the following lens: Lens: Bell & Howell Varamat f1.8 / 9-27mm - Power Zoom If so, is the power zoom feature of your lens/camera variable?? A couple of links regarding Zapruder's camera: As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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February 26, 2009, 02:02:36 AM
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Rick,
Go ahead and submit your discovery to the proper authorities.
Then,
When they ask you to shoot some footage with the same camera as Z, from the pedestal, with the lens setting on telephoto, then you can do a proper size analysis for your discovery.
I tried to help you prove there was someone behind the fence(Darnell film), so be it.
You have not created any comparison's what so ever, with any of my B/H 414 frames provided.
Good luck with someone else doing the same.
chris
Chris You dodged all of the points I made in my last three prior postings. And, the person seen behind the fence in the Darnell film was minutes after the shooting stopped....not mere seconds, as in what I have found in these two films. I never said I meant to submit anything, and I never asked you for your help. Regards, Rick Needham Rick, You make it sound like I' trying to deceive everyone. If I had known 4 years ago while filming this, that a head turn was necessary, I would of had my brother turning his head every quarter of a second. Those were the closest frames I could find with a head turn. No, I don't see the figure in your discovery turning his head, I don't even see a figure there. The Drommer illustration I supplied has 2 red lines connecting the fence. Check it again. What does that have to do with anything? The whole point was to show the difference in distance between "pedestal to fence" and "pedestal to tree" regardless of which point on the fence you choose to use. And it's quite a difference. As I stated before, I gave you an even farther distance of 62ft from pedestal to your figure, than Jerry's updated 52ft. Which means your figure according to Jerry and Martin should be even bigger than what I estimated it to be. Martin has come up with my brother somewhere around 70-75ft away at his farthest point. Which means your figure needs to be larger than my brother, at his farthest distance away from the camera. There is no getting around it. Same camera used, same lens setting, same location. Apples to apples comparison's. chris Enlarged by a factor of 4X. From Zapruder frames 476, 477 and 478. Three consecutive frames with the last frame added in multiple times at the end. This animated gif below is playing at 4 FPS. You're going to want to back away from your computer monitor until you find a happy distance. Dark room highly recommended! Remember, these final frames in Zapruders film were very dark in the vicinity of the stockade fence. This man, along with possibly another, were only noticeable in these frames after applying enhancing techniques. Thus the far less than perfect image quality. Chris....can you see the head turning now??? hat;; I can even see the hint of a short side burn and a glimpse of his ear...although fuzzy. Watch the side burn area on the face move right along with the animation. These are not leaves creating an illusion. We are seeing him through a "small gap" or "clearing" amongst the branches of the small tree charge; dance; charge; Rick Needham
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