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Question: Based on the animated gifs & photo below, do you think it's possible that in the very last frames from the Zapruder film we are seeing an unknown male turning his head and facing Elm St.from just behind the stockade fence?
No, I don't think so
Possibly...I'm not sure
Yes, I can see his head turning

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Behind the stockade fence in the Zapruder film...you decide  (Read 7807 times)

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Use these animations and Zapruder frame 478 showing the yellow circled area to help base your answer.
Voters identities are completely unknown, so don't hesitate to cast your vote.


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« Last Edit: February 22, 2009, 11:58:49 PM by Rick Needham »

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This is the outline of what i concluded may have been the form of a man with his back to the camera.
I see it in this frame, but not so clearly in the darker animated GIF'S

Could it just be leaves forming a pattern. ? ( quite possibly )

It was always going to be a "hard sell", trying to convince people that there was a man standing behind the fence
as Zapruder panned his camera around.



Rick

Please don't take this the wrong way. ???

I know you are passionate about this, but in the end it is just another theory.
and you shouldn't be dissapointed  because others don't see the images the way you do.

Because of this, i will VOTE in the poll  ( I am not sure )


Cheers

Robin.

Keep up the good work, i always look forward to you threads with great interest.






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« Last Edit: February 21, 2009, 12:35:15 AM by Robin Unger »

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Robin,


I just spent the better part of an hour typing you a reply. When I submitted it for posting, my login session had timed out  :(
I will try and add that text sometime tomorrow. Here is the animation I intended on adding along with the text. Z frames 476-478....playing at just 1 FPS. A good study speed.


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« Last Edit: February 21, 2009, 06:40:50 AM by Rick Needham »

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Rick.

No problem.

I have learn't to COPY the text before i post, just in case it times out.
then i can just PASTE it back and try again. taz


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This is the outline of what i concluded may have been the form of a man with his back to the camera.
I see it in this frame, but not so clearly in the darker animated GIF'S

Could it just be leaves forming a pattern. ? ( quite possibly )

It was always going to be a "hard sell", trying to convince people that there was a man standing behind the fence
as Zapruder panned his camera around.



Rick

Please don't take this the wrong way. ???

I know you are passionate about this, but in the end it is just another theory.
and you shouldn't be dissapointed  because others don't see the images the way you do.

Because of this, i will VOTE in the poll  ( I am not sure )


Cheers

Robin.

Keep up the good work, i always look forward to you threads with great interest.







Robin


This is a very crude animation I've just thrown together to show the perspective which I'm seeing. NOT TO SCALE by any means. Just wanted
to relate to you the top of the shoulder orientation in relation to the stockade fence. Zapruder's location is only approximate. Head turn rotation
in respect to the fence is only approximate. I've labeled each frame with a corresponding Z frame number. Again...very crude. For perspective
purposes only  fly;  Using the Cutler Plat, I have estimated the distance from Zapruder on the pedestal to this figure behind the fence at approx.
27-28 feet, with an estimate of this man being within a foot or two from the fence wall.


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« Last Edit: February 21, 2009, 06:23:29 AM by Rick Needham »

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Hmm. Only nine voters thus far? Would love to see a few more votes cast in this poll. On the brighter side, there is only one no thus far, so maybe that is a good thing?  hat;;


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My brother is 5'9".

The frames show him walking towards me on the pedestal. Shot on telephoto with a B/H 414.

The different sizes (lower right photo) are in 5 human step increments.

Upper photos show start and ending sizes.

Compared to the guy in the red shirt, one (if not more) of these is at least 25 ft. away from the pedestal.

chris






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Chris,

I'm having a hard time reading your text....looking at your attachments, understanding and trying to make sense of what you're trying to say. Are you saying the human head is too big or too small??
Given the size we see it in these Zapruder frames (at least I see it and believe in it's existence)....how close... or far away would this individual have to be standing from the fence wall to coincide with what we're seeing?  I'm thinking he's 2-3 feet away...


Thank you,
Rick Needham


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« Last Edit: February 24, 2009, 11:30:56 PM by Rick Needham »

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Rick,

Yes, his head is too small in Z.

Watch my movie from which I exported the previous frames.

Once he starts striding toward me, I count 16 strides. I say each stride is at least 2ft. That guess is on the conservative side.

So, he walks at least 32ft from his beginning point towards me.

Which means he's at least 32ft away from me, actually much more.

You say from the pedestal to your man behind the fence is approx. 27ft.

The head size of your man behind the fence, should at least be the size of my brother's head in the beginning of the film.

chris








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Maybe this will help.

The sprocket holes and frame sizes are the same.

I put my brother's face in your circle designation. Watch his head turn.

Is your discovery at least this size.

chris

 



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Ok, I'm understanding you much better now. 16 strides of your brother as he walks towards you would equal 32 feet at 2 feet per stride...roughly. I used the Cutler Plat (below) to try and come up with
a distance from Zapruder on the pedestal. I don't know just how accurate the scale is at the bottom of the map. If his head is too small, then he must be further in from the fence wall, and the scale on this map inaccurate. Years ago when I saved it to my computer, it was posted on Rich DellaRosa's JFK Assassination Forum and I do seem to recall Jack White saying the scale was off. There is a head and shoulders of a male individual there... seen behind the fence in the Zapruder film... and I can see his head turn nearly 90 degrees in a matter of 5 frames.   fly;


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« Last Edit: February 25, 2009, 02:27:58 AM by Rick Needham »

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Rick,

Yes, his head is too small in Z.

Watch my movie from which I exported the previous frames.

Once he starts striding toward me, I count 16 strides. I say each stride is at least 2ft. That guess is on the conservative side.

So, he walks at least 32ft from his beginning point towards me.

Which means he's at least 32ft away from me, actually much more.

You say from the pedestal to your man behind the fence is approx. 27ft.

The head size of your man behind the fence, should at least be the size of my brother's head in the beginning of the film.

chris








Chris,

I'm probably the last person Rick expects help from, but the Drommer survey for the HSCA puts the fence at that location approximately 50 feet away from Zapruder.

Best to you,
Jerry


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