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 March 09, 2011, 03:43:00 AM
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Making it clear that they will say anything, or do anything to try and keep their fantasy alive, CT on this board have said some things that have made us all scratch our heads really hard. Feel free to add, and I am sure the list will grow in the future.
1- David Sellers trying to hint that Oswald couldn't do the shooting, because the fact that he couldn't drive a car is proof he didn't have good hand eye coordination.
2- Tony posting that proof that Oswald went to work with his wedding ring on 11/22/63, is the fact that Frazier didn't ask him why he wasn't wearing his wedding ring. A few things wrong with this Gem right off the bat. 1- Anyone who has ever lived knows that you rarely notice if someone is wearing a ring, unless you want to ask them out. 2- Frazier barely knew Oswald, so I don't think he would ask him even if he did notice, and even if he happened to notice before 11/22 that Oswald wore a ring. 3- If Frazier noticed the ring and asked Oswald. why hasn't he told anyone in 47 years. I am sure he knows the evidence to the case.
3- Tony saying the fact that nobody claimed to be with Oswald during the assasination, is not proof that nobody was with Oswald, because maybe he was sitting with some black guys but they were threatened to not say anything.
4- Herbert saying Curry was a back of the head witnsses, because he found an audio of Curry saying that maybe a shot came from the front because of the way JFK's head reacted when hit, and because of the blood spatter.
He can't tell you anything aboiut this audio, it could be Curry opinion after reading a conspiracy book, because he sure didn't see it. But Herbert in his desperate quest to find a Dealey Plaza back of the head witnsses, tried to force this square peg in our round hole. And even if the Curry thing took, say nobody here had an IQ above 70, then it would be everyone else in Dealey who saw it vs Curry. I guess this would be proof to Herbert that the back of Oswald's head opened up.
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What is silly is thinking that two turns that reduced the speed of the car to 8-11 m.p.h. is no big deal when motorcades are suppose to keep a 44 m.p.h. speed..R Caprio
LHO had poor hand-eye coordination and proof of this is seen in the fact he couldn't drive an automobile-- R Caprio
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January 15, 2012, 03:28:05 PM
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When the shooting started SSA Yarborough jumped over then vice-president Johnson and held him down. This was what the Secret Service trained their agents to do during a life-threatening situation.
SSA Hill was on the truck and a few feet from the upright passenger on the right side of the limousine. So he was close enough to prevent that passenger from sitting upright.
Herbert
He was on the rear bumper/step of the limo. So unless he had magic, stretching arms, or the powers of Superman, all of the occupants in the limo were beyond his reach.
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"Part of the reason why we avoided talking about this thing, because every time you say something, somebody misinterprets what you say."
-James. J. Humes, excerpt of ARRB statement, 2-13-96
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January 15, 2012, 04:29:47 PM
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Actually Gerda, since you are among those claiming that a dead man sat up, I think the burden of proof rightfully belongs to you.
a dead man can not sit up by himself, start thinking Geoff. Can you prove that it is Connally we see sitting upright in the frames 454 and in the following ? What is it you see and I don't ?
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January 15, 2012, 05:07:04 PM
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Like all else Gerda, the facts are on my side. Your man is holding his head erect. He even appears to be looking a bit to the right. His arm is on top of the side of the car. Now, why don't you explain to us all how the dead President would be able to do any one of those 3 things, even if Jackie initially pushed his dead body upright?
since when is what you think you see makes something a fact ? a dead person can not hold his head erect by himself, he is dead  Fact is that the film shows an torso with nothing behind it but the limo trunk lid, and where there is a torso there must be a head. That is what the Z frames show. Where did JFK sit in the limo, Geoff. Show me that what you see and id as an "arm" actually is an arm. Prove that the person we see in the back of the limo is Connally, you claim it is. - show us the sign around that persons neck that reads "Connally".
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January 15, 2012, 06:15:52 PM
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So why don't you start by telling us all how ...
Us? Do not include me, as I am reading this thread also, in the plural pronoun "us" which is a cheap trick to embarrass Gerda. You mean: "Tell me."
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January 15, 2012, 06:29:32 PM
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You said it yourself Gerda, a dead man can not hold his head erect. So why don't you start by telling us all how the just-killed Kennedy is doing just that. If his head is not upright, and is limply bobbing around on top of his neck, then show some evidence of this.
I conclude his arm is on the the car, because it appears to be attached to his right shoulder. I don't know of anything other than an arm being attached to a body at the shoulder, do you? If it's not his arm, then what is it?
show me that the head is erect, Geoff. And don't just show me the frame and say "look" the head is not bobbing around, at least I can't see that. Some of the frames are too blurry to see a distinct movement of the head, but not to you it seems. There is no "erected" head and no obvious bobbing either. Try again. Where did Connaly sit and where JFK ? JFK sat behind Connally, in your scenario too i hope. Prove that it is Connally, you can't.
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January 16, 2012, 02:34:10 AM
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Like all else Gerda, the facts are on my side. Your man is holding his head erect. He even appears to be looking a bit to the right. His arm is on top of the side of the car. Now, why don't you explain to us all how the dead President would be able to do any one of those 3 things, even if Jackie initially pushed his dead body upright?
The head is not erect. It is slightly tilted towards his left, or towards Jackie in nearly all of the frames as she struggled to upright his lifeless body. In one of the last clear frames, the head looks to be nearly erect. But I would be willing to bet that this is the point in which the head reached the apex of its movement towards the right....from the upwards push Jackie was giving his upper torso. Think of a bobble head doll. I'm sure if we had more footage after this point, we would have seen the head beginning to fall back to the left, both lifeless and limp. And I see no arm swinging towards and resting on the top side of the car. That's just an optical illusion.
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January 16, 2012, 02:39:14 AM
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The head is not erect. It is slightly tilted towards his left, or towards Jackie in nearly all of the frames as she struggled to upright his lifeless body. In one of the last clear frames, the head looks to be nearly erect. But I would be willing to bet that this is the point in which the head reached the apex of its movement towards the right....from the upwards push Jackie was giving his upper torso. Think of a bobble head doll. I'm sure if we had more footage after this point, we would have seen the head beginning to fall back to the left, both lifeless and limp. And I see no arm swinging towards and resting on the top side of the car. That's just an optical illusion.
Good observations, Rick. I have looked as closely as I can at the enlargements and the flap on the right side of JFK's skull, so obvious earlier in the film and in the autopsy photos, seems to be absent.
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January 16, 2012, 02:43:03 AM
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Good observations, Rick. I have looked as closely as I can at the enlargements and the flap on the right side of JFK's skull, so obvious earlier in the film and in the autopsy photos, seems to be absent.
Yes Bob you are correct. I cannot see it either. But I do see what looks to be a big hole in the lower back of the head. Just behind the right ear.
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January 16, 2012, 02:44:45 AM
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Yes Bob you are correct. I cannot see it either. But I do see what looks to be a big hole in the lower back of the head. Just behind the right ear.
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