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When I was buying some printer ink at Staples last week I asked how much it would cost to have a large map scanned in. Only $2.00.
So tonight I had them scan in my HSCA map at the highest resolution their scanner could handle.

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This is a huge map.

Martin, do you have any software which could scale this down to about 20 pixels per foot?
Also, can you likewise upload your map showing the same area?
I would like to start with this map and then add in details accurate for 11/22/63.

Just for quick viewing I'll try uploading a smaller map that they scaled down for me to screen size.

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* Sewer lid center  109'7" , '11"

* Fence corner      158' 6"  319'1.5"

* TSBD Corner       320 , 40














Does your software allow you to erase the gray pixels before the solid black line of the TSBD?
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OK, I can get the points to within 3 inches over 360 feet, that is less than .01 per foot, I will have to go with it like that. I doubt that they were any better with their actual measurements honestly, I'll post some screen shots in a couple minutes.

I found Harry Livingstone's letter with his measurements.
I am testing my new scanner/printer's settings and can't seem to change anything.
The OCR has about 5% errors. I hope I corrected them all. But I had to double check that I didn't accidentally
correct Livingstone's typos.

                        DEALEY PLAZA MEASUREMENTS

By Harrison E. Livingstone and Officer Marco Miranda, BCPD.
July 8-11, 1994

Lampposts are now on the grass alongside the sidewalk, but were
next to the curb on the sidewalk on the north side of EIm St. The
former base positions are easily identifiable, except in one case
where it hard to guess from which of two more recently laid cement
it was. They are more or less perpendicular with the new lampposts.
there is nearly a five foot differential in spacing as the posts on
the grass are on the inside of the curve of the street, and so this
would effect calculations of the speed of the fatal limousine if
one uses the measurements between the new lampposts rather than the
o1d.

Distances Between the Lampposts on the north side of EIm St:

Distance from the Triple Underpass to the center of the base
of the old first lamppost on the sidewalk near the curb, north side
of Elm: 66' 6". Present: 67'.
From lst to 2nd lamppost: 98' 8". Present: 94'.
From 2nd to 3rd lamppost: 107' 3". Present: L04'.
From 3rd to 4th lamppost: 91'. Present: 92'.
From 3rd lamppost to the corner of the sidewalk at Elm and Elm
St. Extension: 102'.

The 2nd & 3rd lampposts from the Underpass flank Zapruder.

The present lampposts are 1' 7" in diameter. We also measured
the distances between the new lampposts.

Distances between the lampposts along the south side of EIm St.
from the Underpass:

From the Underpass to the first lamppost: 107' 10".
From the 1st lamppost to the 2nd: 72'6".
From the 2nd lamppost to the 3rd: 121'6".
From the 3rd lamppost to the 4th: 122'5", or 80'to the pole
of the overhanging highway sign (1994) and from the pole to the
fourth and last lamppost is 42'5", The 4th and last lamppost is on
the sidewalk next to the reflecting pool on the corner.

Distances between the lampposts along the north side of Main St.
from the Triple Underpass:

From the Underpass to the first lamppost: (I lost this
measurement but it is most like1y 119', found by adding the

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following figures and subtracting the total from 430' which we
measured with a 200 foot tape from the corner of Main and Houston
to the bridge along the north side of Main, measuring separately
from the lampposts.
From the 1st lamppost to the 2nd: 99'
From the 2nd lamppost to the 3rd: 102'
From the 3rd lamppost to the corner of Houston and Main,
measuring as though the curbs met at a 90 degree angle: 109'. We
did not measure to the fourth lamppost near the corner, which
probably cannot be seen in the Zapruder film.

The overpass does not pass in a straight line but at an angle
over the three streets, so the angle must be taken into account.

From Zapruder's approximate position on the pedestal to the
corner of Houston and Elm St. is 222'. This is measured to the
lamppost just inside the south west curve at the junction of the
two streets.
From Zapruder to the west end of the first white stripe at the
crosswalk is 206'.
From Zapruder to the curb perpendicular to the closet point to
him is 53'4".
Zapruder's pedestal from which he filmed is 4' 6" high.

White center stripes:

There are 11 white stripes on the lanes of EIm St. starting at
the cross walk down to the bridge.
The length of the white stripes varies between 10'2" and
11"9'. The street has been resurfaced and we are probably not
looking at the original white stripes. the stripes have been
painted over more than once and are not in identical positions but
generally are painted over their previous positions. there are no
overlaps between one end of a stripe and the next.
There are 6 stripes from the corner of Elm and Houston to
Zapruder, and 5 more down to the bridge.
Distance from the west end of 1st white stripe to west end of
2nd white stripe: 40' 8"
2nd to 3rd: 41' 5"
3rd to 4th: 40' 5"
4th to 5th: 41' 10"
5th to 6th: 39'
6th to 7th: 39' 7"
7th to 8th: 40' 2"
8th to 9th: 42'
9th to 10thz 42' 6"
10th to 11thz 41' 4"
11th to edge of bridge: 38' 6"

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z 210 is at the west end of the 4th stripe, if the Tree has not
grown a lot, ,which I don't think it has. We photographed it from
the judge's office on Houston at the corner of E1m.

The head shot appears to have struck 6' or 7' before 6th stripe.
It is 62' between z 210 and perpendicular or just past it to
Zapruder's poaition. Meaning both shots that struck Kennedy had to
have struck in a space of 62 feet, if the head shot was generally
perpendicular to Zapruder, and if he was struck after frame 210.

     From the edge of the Tree obstructing the sixth floor window
to perpendicular to the wall of the TSBD: 45'4".
From the edge of the Tree to the sidewalk directly against the
TSBD beneath the center of the sixth floor window: 68'.

     Elm Street is 40' wide.

     In a straight line from the county Records building to the
edge of the Underpass over Elm, it is 500'. Houston Street is 60'
across. It is 70,3" from the side" of the Records Building to the
curb on the west side of Houston Street (the sidewalk being 10 feet
wide). There is an additional 430 feet' (as per our measurement)
from the west curb of Houston Street from the corner of Houston and
Main to the edge of the bridge, making the Plaza 500' long.

     The length of Houston Street between Elm and Main is 219,9".

     Width of front face of the 7 story part of the TSBD: 100,6''.

     Height of windows sill: By obtaininq the short leg of the
triangle from the FBI's figures in the data boxes in 18 H (WC):
55'. By survey made for HEL, in 1992: 55'. According to Robert West
on his May, 1964 survey map: 60'.

     Width of County Records Building along Houston St. side: 81'.
The aggregate of the length of the two buildings along Houston St.
is 200'.

      Distance along Houston from northernmost window of Records
building to southernmost window: Inner distance= 19', 10". Outer
distance= 29' 5 1/2". Length of the block on Houston between Main
and Elm on the east side: 219' 9"; the distance from the monument
inside the eastern side of the peristyle and toward the south end
of it to the north end of the peristyle: 167' (somebody check to
see if this is correct by its proportion to the 219' 9 ".)

     Distance from Tree to the Monument directly west of it between

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Elm and Elm extension: 16' 8". this is the tree the sniper had to
fire over the top of from the sixth floor window of the TSBD.

     Distance from Tree to the nearest lamppost to the west: 74'.
this 1amppost is on the grass and not where the original was on the
curb.

     Distance from Zapruder's pedestal to the nearest present day
lamppost just north of Zapruder on Elm: 47'. This lamppost is on
the grass and not where it originally was.

      Distance from Zapruder's pedestal to the opposite pedestal at
the other end of the pergola: 61' 5".

     Distance from the pedestal to the corner of the retaining
wall: 28' 9" or 29'.

Along the Wall parallel to Houston Street:

     Distance from corner of waII to where the row of holes starts:
            22' 6".
     Corner of wall to where the row of holes ends: 31' 10".
     Corner of wall to where the next row starts: 55'.
     Corner of wall to where the next row ends: 64' 4".
     Corner of wall to the monument at the north end of the
peristyle: 83' 6".
     Monument to north end of the peristyle: 167'.
     North to south length of the peristyle from the outer edges of
the pedestals along Houston: 69' 4".

Along north side of Main Street:

     Distance from monument at the south end of the peristyle to
      the nearest lamppost to the west: 48'.
     Distances between lampposts going West down Main: 101' 9".
     Distances from the inlet on the north side of Main to the two
nearest lampposts: East lamppost= 47', 4"; West lamppost= 51', 7
1/2".
     Distance from the inlet on the north side of Main to the one
across the grass on the south side: of Elm: 38' 4".
     Distance from inlet to the Triple underpass: 159', 4".
     From last lamppost to the Triple underpass: 107' 8".

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Well, somebody did it.


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* Sewer lid center  109'7" , '11"

* Fence corner      158' 6"  319'1.5"

* TSBD Corner       320 , 40














Does your software allow you to erase the gray pixels before the solid black line of the TSBD?
Is that called sharpening?


What I can do is export it at a high resolution then bring it back in and blow it up again, so a 20,000 zoom will look and act like a 10,000 ,  basically it will sharpen it up but with a bit more accuracy than jsut hitting the sharpen button. I will check some of Livingstone's measurements against mine although if he was using a tape measure which is what I understand , then he was probably wasting time he's only going to get a ballpark measurement like that, I'mn ready to send you a copy of what I have just let me know how high you want to be in physical inches or pixels and how many pixels per foot ( Dealey Plaza feet I think is what you were asking for ) if that is the case then at ten pixels per foot you will at about 5000 x 4000 , is that what you want ? or please clarify.


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LN; So how did it happen then ?

CT; I don't know, I only know that it didn't happen the way the evidence says.

LN;  We should not use evidence in this case ?

CT; Correct.

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Well, somebody did it.


I also scaled a google map screenshot to those dimensions, it all works together pretty well, less than .01 per inch error margin, I can't imagine anything that needs to be closer than that. 3" over 360 feet measurement is about as good as I can do. let me know if you want it or if anyone wants just shoot me your e-mail. What I would like to know Anthony is if you have Kennedy's head at anywhere from 221-224 in Cartesian. thanks,


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* Sewer lid center  109'7" , '11"

* Fence corner      158' 6"  319'1.5"

* TSBD Corner       320 , 40














Does your software allow you to erase the gray pixels before the solid black line of the TSBD?
Is that called sharpening?


What I can do is export it at a high resolution then bring it back in and blow it up again, so a 20,000 zoom will look and act like a 10,000 ,  basically it will sharpen it up but with a bit more accuracy than jsut hitting the sharpen button. I will check some of Livingstone's measurements against mine although if he was using a tape measure which is what I understand , then he was probably wasting time he's only going to get a ballpark measurement like that, I'mn ready to send you a copy of what I have just let me know how high you want to be in physical inches or pixels and how many pixels per foot ( Dealey Plaza feet I think is what you were asking for ) if that is the case then at ten pixels per foot you will at about 5000 x 4000 , is that what you want ? or please clarify.

Yes, 10 pixels per foot would be great.
Thanks.


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I also scaled a google map screenshot to those dimensions, it all works together pretty well, less than .01 per inch error margin, I can't imagine anything that needs to be closer than that. 3" over 360 feet measurement is about as good as I can do. let me know if you want it or if anyone wants just shoot me your e-mail. What I would like to know Anthony is if you have Kennedy's head at anywhere from 221-224 in Cartesian. thanks,

No, I haven' done much work on Z-224.
Have you looked at where Dale Myers puts Z-224?

I am right now working on Z-312/313.
I am calling it Z-312.6.
I found the copy I made of the HSCA exhibit showing where they placed the limo at Z-312/313.
I need to line that up with my map.
They put the side of the limo at about the middle of Elm Street.


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Well, somebody did it.


I have a pretty good idea just not much to verify it with, it will be close. Let me know how the gif works out.


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Well now that we are working with a map that is for the most part accurate ( the Roberdeau map is not accurate at least nto electronically ) I can tell you that Dale Meyers angles work pretty well.


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