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One mistake CT make is they never put themselves in the shoes of the people who would be involved in a conspiracy. Put yourself in the planning stage.
Things you WOULD NOT do if you were trying to plan an assasination of Obama next month..
You wouldn't try to frame a guy if you didn't know where he would be during the assasination. Very obvious.
You wouldn't try to kill him in public with cameras around. Very obvious.
You wouldn't want to have to try and fake medical evicdence to match your theory. You wouldn't know what the wounds were to begin with for hours. Very obvious.
You wouldn't want to say there were 3 shots when there were actually more with all the witnsses around. Obvious
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November 08, 2010, 05:43:43 PM
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One mistake CT make is they never put themselves in the shoes of the people who would be involved in a conspiracy. Put yourself in the planning stage.
Things you WOULD NOT do if you were trying to plan an assasination of Obama next month..
You wouldn't try to frame a guy if you didn't know where he would be during the assasination. Very obvious.
You wouldn't try to kill him in public with cameras around. Very obvious.
You wouldn't want to have to try and fake medical evicdence to match your theory. You wouldn't know what the wounds were to begin with for hours. Very obvious.
You wouldn't want to say there were 3 shots when there were actually more with all the witnsses around. Obvious
Would definitely not discuss it on an assassination forum. People did say there were more than 3 shots ,Which witnesses would you refer to If you were trying to hide it.You would not even need to be there to be framed with todays cinematic advances you would be a block of code in a processor. You believe the W.C. I do not simple.
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November 08, 2010, 06:10:14 PM
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One mistake CT make is they never put themselves in the shoes of the people who would be involved in a conspiracy. Put yourself in the planning stage.
Things you WOULD NOT do if you were trying to plan an assasination of Obama next month..
You wouldn't try to frame a guy if you didn't know where he would be during the assasination. Very obvious.
You wouldn't try to kill him in public with cameras around. Very obvious.
You wouldn't want to have to try and fake medical evicdence to match your theory. You wouldn't know what the wounds were to begin with for hours. Very obvious.
You wouldn't want to say there were 3 shots when there were actually more with all the witnsses around. Obvious
Would definitely not discuss it on an assassination forum. People did say there were more than 3 shots ,Which witnesses would you refer to If you were trying to hide it.You would not even need to be there to be framed with todays cinematic advances you would be a block of code in a processor. You believe the W.C. I do not simple. Abouth 1 in 20 said they heard more then 3 shots. let me guess, you believe them.
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November 08, 2010, 06:15:15 PM
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One mistake CT make is they never put themselves in the shoes of the people who would be involved in a conspiracy. Put yourself in the planning stage.
Things you WOULD NOT do if you were trying to plan an assasination of Obama next month..
You wouldn't try to frame a guy if you didn't know where he would be during the assasination. Very obvious.
You wouldn't try to kill him in public with cameras around. Very obvious.
You wouldn't want to have to try and fake medical evicdence to match your theory. You wouldn't know what the wounds were to begin with for hours. Very obvious.
You wouldn't want to say there were 3 shots when there were actually more with all the witnsses around. Obvious
Would definitely not discuss it on an assassination forum. People did say there were more than 3 shots ,Which witnesses would you refer to If you were trying to hide it.You would not even need to be there to be framed with todays cinematic advances you would be a block of code in a processor. You believe the W.C. I do not simple. This is your problem You think to believe anything anyone in the gov't says is being guillable. So if one man did it no matter how much evidence you will think he didn't, because some in the gov't said he did.. So the only conclusion you can possibly come to is that one man didn't do this. Which is obvious to me reading your post and others. You came to a conclusion, and now its desperately trying to find anything to back your conclusion. Like throwing the umbrella man in there because his memory of 15 years earlier was notexactly right on the money. A few seconds off.
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November 08, 2010, 06:18:47 PM
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One mistake CT make is they never put themselves in the shoes of the people who would be involved in a conspiracy. Put yourself in the planning stage.
Things you WOULD NOT do if you were trying to plan an assasination of Obama next month..
You wouldn't try to frame a guy if you didn't know where he would be during the assasination. Very obvious.
You wouldn't try to kill him in public with cameras around. Very obvious.
You wouldn't want to have to try and fake medical evicdence to match your theory. You wouldn't know what the wounds were to begin with for hours. Very obvious.
You wouldn't want to say there were 3 shots when there were actually more with all the witnsses around. Obvious
Would definitely not discuss it on an assassination forum. People did say there were more than 3 shots ,Which witnesses would you refer to If you were trying to hide it.You would not even need to be there to be framed with todays cinematic advances you would be a block of code in a processor. You believe the W.C. I do not simple. Abouth 1 in 20 said they heard more then 3 shots. let me guess, you believe them. Brian Wether I believe them is not important.I have read accounts of the shots from 11 to "no didnt hear a thing" But at least I looked at more than 1 situation and more than 1 type of witness to reach my conclusion. What really happened is probably so far from what WE all think happened nobody will believe it. Ian
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November 08, 2010, 06:46:45 PM
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You claim that since there were cameras around, conspirators would not have dared assassinate the President.
But what if the killers were confident that the authorities involved in the plot were going to strategically disappear photos of key spots, such as in the case of the Babushka lady, who claimed to have photos taken away from her and never made public?
And why would you expect anyone to be pointing his/her camera at the 6th floor when Kennedy was passing by them, and when humans prefer running or panicking versus immediately taking photos as the first reaction to danger?
But there are always cameras around nowadays. That does not quarantee that they will capture the assassin in the moment of shooting. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Too bad they didn't have sound back in 1963.
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November 08, 2010, 06:50:14 PM
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One mistake CT make is they never put themselves in the shoes of the people who would be involved in a conspiracy. Put yourself in the planning stage.
Things you WOULD NOT do if you were trying to plan an assasination of Obama next month..
You wouldn't try to frame a guy if you didn't know where he would be during the assasination. Very obvious.
You wouldn't try to kill him in public with cameras around. Very obvious.
You wouldn't want to have to try and fake medical evicdence to match your theory. You wouldn't know what the wounds were to begin with for hours. Very obvious.
You wouldn't want to say there were 3 shots when there were actually more with all the witnsses around. Obvious
Would definitely not discuss it on an assassination forum. People did say there were more than 3 shots ,Which witnesses would you refer to If you were trying to hide it.You would not even need to be there to be framed with todays cinematic advances you would be a block of code in a processor. You believe the W.C. I do not simple. This is your problem You think to believe anything anyone in the gov't says is being guillable. So if one man did it no matter how much evidence you will think he didn't, because some in the gov't said he did.. So the only conclusion you can possibly come to is that one man didn't do this. Which is obvious to me reading your post and others. You came to a conclusion, and now its desperately trying to find anything to back your conclusion. Like throwing the umbrella man in there because his memory of 15 years earlier was notexactly right on the money. A few seconds off. Brian If you have read the evidence you will know it does not add up .If you are happy to go with the W.C. that is good .I however apply different standards when reviewing the "Evidence" and cannot get all the ends to meet . So you think "Umbrella man" had a bad memory of the most important thing to happen to him in his entire life 20 feet away O.K. Call me GULLIBLE Ian
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November 08, 2010, 07:35:53 PM
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Brian
If you have read the evidence you will know it does not add up .If you are happy to go with the W.C. that is good .I however apply different standards when reviewing the "Evidence" and cannot get all the ends to meet .
So you think "Umbrella man" had a bad memory of the most important thing to happen to him in his entire life 20 feet away O.K. Call me GULLIBLE
Ian   You still having trouble with Witts' story? He said he was standing on a "wall". TUM is standing on the curb. He said he didn't look at the President; TUM holds the umbrella up at least until the head shot--seeing Kennedy was less important than being seen by JFK and the pols in his motorcade. Oswald didn't make eye-contact either, and lookit what Lee did: blew the President's head off. "They done shot them folks." said the Negro man who sat down next to TUM (something more that Witt remembered and the photos evidently show). Jerry
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November 08, 2010, 08:53:43 PM
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If I was planning a hit in Dealy Plaza I would certainly want to use diversionary tactics
To get my team in place I might use an epileptic seizure ploy
I would certainly use shadow and shrubbery to my advantage to remain unseen
I might use a false sniper to shoot three loud sounds from one window while the rest of the team used noise suppressed rifles or handguns from other spots
I would use confederates to point out to the press crew (who was out of rotation in a motorcade) the upper floors
I might bait a witness (Howard Brennen) to draw attention to the false location.
I might throw down expended shells to link the rifle to the crime. A rifle that could be easily traced to a communist
And I would use a clean-up crew to locate any stray shells or bullets in the grass.
I think my idea would work. Oh Wait a minute it did!
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November 08, 2010, 08:56:36 PM
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One mistake CT make is they never put themselves in the shoes of the people who would be involved in a conspiracy. Put yourself in the planning stage.
Things you WOULD NOT do if you were trying to plan an assasination of Obama next month..
You wouldn't try to frame a guy if you didn't know where he would be during the assasination. Very obvious.
You wouldn't try to kill him in public with cameras around. Very obvious.
You wouldn't want to have to try and fake medical evicdence to match your theory. You wouldn't know what the wounds were to begin with for hours. Very obvious.
You wouldn't want to say there were 3 shots when there were actually more with all the witnsses around. Obvious
Would definitely not discuss it on an assassination forum. People did say there were more than 3 shots ,Which witnesses would you refer to If you were trying to hide it.You would not even need to be there to be framed with todays cinematic advances you would be a block of code in a processor. You believe the W.C. I do not simple. This is your problem You think to believe anything anyone in the gov't says is being guillable. So if one man did it no matter how much evidence you will think he didn't, because some in the gov't said he did.. So the only conclusion you can possibly come to is that one man didn't do this. Which is obvious to me reading your post and others. You came to a conclusion, and now its desperately trying to find anything to back your conclusion. Like throwing the umbrella man in there because his memory of 15 years earlier was notexactly right on the money. A few seconds off. Brian If you have read the evidence you will know it does not add up .If you are happy to go with the W.C. that is good .I however apply different standards when reviewing the "Evidence" and cannot get all the ends to meet . So you think "Umbrella man" had a bad memory of the most important thing to happen to him in his entire life 20 feet away O.K. Call me GULLIBLE Ian Ian, you don't think it's possible that Witt was a little confused about his actions before the limo made it's turn onto Elm?
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November 09, 2010, 04:58:01 AM
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One mistake CT make is they never put themselves in the shoes of the people who would be involved in a conspiracy. Put yourself in the planning stage.
Things you WOULD NOT do if you were trying to plan an assasination of Obama next month..
You wouldn't try to frame a guy if you didn't know where he would be during the assasination. Very obvious.
You wouldn't try to kill him in public with cameras around. Very obvious.
You wouldn't want to have to try and fake medical evicdence to match your theory. You wouldn't know what the wounds were to begin with for hours. Very obvious.
You wouldn't want to say there were 3 shots when there were actually more with all the witnsses around. Obvious
Would definitely not discuss it on an assassination forum. People did say there were more than 3 shots ,Which witnesses would you refer to If you were trying to hide it.You would not even need to be there to be framed with todays cinematic advances you would be a block of code in a processor. You believe the W.C. I do not simple. This is your problem You think to believe anything anyone in the gov't says is being guillable. So if one man did it no matter how much evidence you will think he didn't, because some in the gov't said he did.. So the only conclusion you can possibly come to is that one man didn't do this. Which is obvious to me reading your post and others. You came to a conclusion, and now its desperately trying to find anything to back your conclusion. Like throwing the umbrella man in there because his memory of 15 years earlier was notexactly right on the money. A few seconds off. Brian If you have read the evidence you will know it does not add up .If you are happy to go with the W.C. that is good .I however apply different standards when reviewing the "Evidence" and cannot get all the ends to meet . So you think "Umbrella man" had a bad memory of the most important thing to happen to him in his entire life 20 feet away O.K. Call me GULLIBLE Ian Ian, you don't think it's possible that Witt was a little confused about his actions before the limo made it's turn onto Elm? NO!! He wasn't!!! He was part of the conspiracy and couldn't keep his story straight!!! He fired the fatal dart!!!
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November 09, 2010, 08:10:03 PM
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You claim that since there were cameras around, conspirators would not have dared assassinate the President.
But what if the killers were confident that the authorities involved in the plot were going to strategically disappear photos of key spots, such as in the case of the Babushka lady, who claimed to have photos taken away from her and never made public?
And why would you expect anyone to be pointing his/her camera at the 6th floor when Kennedy was passing by them, and when humans prefer running or panicking versus immediately taking photos as the first reaction to danger?
Great points! I have said this for years...they knew the cover-up was controlled by them so they did NOT care what happened on 11/22/63 as they were in a position to ALTER THE OUTCOME later on to fit their plan. Evidence of this point is seen in the FACT the Zapruder film was LOCKED UP and kept out of view from the American people for nearly 12 years! Why was that IF it showed what was claimed?
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A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people. -- John F. Kennedy
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