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Well, somebody did it.
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There were no distinguishing laws , murder was murder whether the pres , a policeman or a regular Joe, it is different now.
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LN; So how did it happen then ?
CT; I don't know, I only know that it didn't happen the way the evidence says.
LN; We should not use evidence in this case ?
CT; Correct.
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The law as it stood in 1963 do not know if it applies to all states. I understand Murder of a policeman is a felony offence?. § 14.02 Trial Proceedings [A] Appointment of Counsel to Indigents <![CDATA[As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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What is silly is thinking that two turns that reduced the speed of the car to 8-11 m.p.h. is no big deal when motorcades are suppose to keep a 44 m.p.h. speed..R Caprio
LHO had poor hand-eye coordination and proof of this is seen in the fact he couldn't drive an automobile-- R Caprio
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November 04, 2010, 11:51:53 AM
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There were no distinguishing laws , murder was murder whether the pres , a policeman or a regular Joe, it is different now.
YOUR utter lack of knowledge regarding our laws is shocking! I guess you don't realize when that killing a cop is called "murder with special circumstances" and carries the death penalty automatically! Now whether this is enforced or not is up to the state, but we should all know the state of Texas is a DEATH PENALTY STATE! The D.A.'s office will also barter and negotiate when most of us are knocked off, but they rarely lower the penalty for cop killers. The killing of a cop is seen as the most dangerous crime by local law enforcement because once you take that step there is no guarantee what you will do. The police are here to "protect" us and if they can't because someone is killing them that is a serious problem. To claim otherwise is ridiculous. Then Brianie says CTers have a silly view of the world.
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The law as it stood in 1963 do not know if it applies to all states. I understand Murder of a policeman is a felony offence?. § 14.02 Trial Proceedings [A] Appointment of Counsel to Indigents <![CDATA[As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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November 05, 2010, 08:32:23 PM
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Funny when Brian is here DVP is'nt has anybody ever seen them in a room together?.
Great point Ian! I have been wondering the same thing. DVP has been too quiet as the man lives for this stuff so he might be using another name to hide it!
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November 05, 2010, 08:43:50 PM
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