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JFK was a brilliant guy and a great communicator but he also had a dark and dangerous side.  He was a sexual sociopath and an IV drug user.  Dr Max Jacobson (Dr. Feelgood) was a regular visitor to the White House to give injections of what turned out to be speed and coke. Kennedy's sex capades and other drug use are also well documented.   He was a dangerous man in even more dangerous times.  This had to drive LBJ and Hoover crazy.
So, why didn't LBJ just "out" the president and his brother to the press?  This was the easiest way for LBJ to ascend to the presidency.  I think the answer is obvious.  JFK and Bobby had all the dirt on the competition.  Secret files and photos of Hoover with Clyde Tolson. The only way out for LBJ was a coup de' tat and in his mind and Hoovers mind they may have felt that they were the true patriots. 


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RFK was going to take the 68 election and LBJ knew it.  In addition, Bobby was going to go after LBJ with everything he had including his own personal investigation of the assassination. Check!  RFK was shot in Los Angeles Checkmate. 


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RFK was going to take the 68 election and LBJ knew it.  In addition, Bobby was going to go after LBJ with everything he had including his own personal investigation of the assassination. Check!  RFK was shot in Los Angeles Checkmate.




But RFK entered the race in '68 too late; he needed to garner support starting in late 1967 in those states that weren't having primaries. At the time he won in California (one of only 13 states holding Democratic primaries that year; by contrast, all states now hold primaries), Bobby was behind in convention delegate support.

TIME magazine, in its June 7, 1968 issue published before the assassination, reported:

'Oregon is haven to the maverick and uplifter of the underdog. In last week's primary. Oregon Democrats allowed Eugene McCarthy to check Robert Kennedy's drive, while the Republicans gave new velocity to Richard Nixon's bid for the nomination. By so doing, Oregonians made it more likely than ever that the post-convention contest would be between Nixon and Hubert Humphrey, the two ostensible traditionalists in the crowd.

Regardless of the personalities and vintages of the probable candidates, however, the second half of the campaign year will doubtless be as unorthodox as the first. Kennedy and McCarthy may eventually succeed only in canceling each other out...

By virtue of his expertise, diligence and money, and buoyed by a string of primary victories, Kennedy came into Oregon the odds-on favorite. His overconfidence was so manifest that he had come to regard McCarthy as merely a foil for his own continued success. "I'd be in real trouble'" Kennedy told a TIME correspondent after Nebraska "if he got out." And the week before Oregon Kennedy was so sure of himself that he said publicly: "If I get beaten in a primary, then I'm not a very viable candidate."...

Pennsylvania Pressure.

While the vote was certainly a moral victory for the durable Minnesotan, few powers in the party yet view him as a serious possibility for the nomination. By slowing Kennedy, he increased Humphrey's already strong pulling power in the tug of war for convention delegates. The Vice President was adding to his long lead even before Oregon's votes were counted. In Florida, a slate of delegates pledged to Senator George Smathers as a favorite son, but favorable to Humphrey, captured 55 of the state's 63 convention votes.

Members of Pennsylvania's 130-vote delegation met for the first time and, ignoring pleas from Kennedy backers to remain uncommitted, gave Humphrey about 100 of their votes. In Missouri, Kennedy and McCarthy forces defeated a move to give Humphrey all 60 votes under a unit rule, but the Vice President was the heavy favorite at the state convention. Delegates in many states now regarded as strong for Humphrey will be under no compulsion to remain loyal until the national convention, but for the time being, Humphrey's advantage seems unassailable.'


From TIME's June 14, 1968 issue:

'Ironically, however, the assassination probably will have the effect of clarifying rather than obfuscating the prospects of the campaign year. As a result, most politicians agree, Hubert Humphrey and Richard Nixon, even more than before, seem destined to capture their parties' nominations and meet in November.

Pockets of Strength.

Even before last week, Humphrey's forces had quietly marshaled sufficient delegate strength to put him within clear marching distance of a convention victory; Kennedy's death put him even closer. In his eleven-week campaign, R.F.K. had amassed more than 300 convention-delegate votes, including the 172 he won in California last Tuesday.'




In a 1996 article for 'The New York Times', Presidential historian Michael R. Beschloss said of the 1968 Democratic nomination campaign:

'The convention showed that although Robert Kennedy won every primary he entered, save Oregon, he still would have been stymied, had he lived, in winning the nomination. The prize went easily to Hubert Humphrey, who had stayed out of the primaries.

Even the antiwar plank presented by Kennedy's supporters was rejected. Insurgent Democrats considered these results an insult to democracy, especially when they realized that about a third of the delegates had been chosen by local party organizations before the primaries had even begun.'


RFK might have been hoping to be a running mate, or maybe influence the party's platform, or be there ready if Humphrey stumbled or made a gaffe before the convention voting. But out-and-out winning the Democratic nomination AND the 1968 general election, that's all myth, kept alive now by conspiracy buffs like Oliver Stone.

I suppose some see RFK's great populist victory in liberal California as some sort of momentum to sweep the country. In the presidential election, California went for native son Richard M. Nixon.



Re: Bobby was going to go after LBJ with everything he had including his own personal investigation of the assassination

If LBJ was worried about that, he would have remained in office. Why would Hoover and Johnson engineer a 'coup' in 1963, then throw it all away in 1968? Especially knowing the liberal wing of the Democratic party expected to get the Democratic nomination. Most of the Democratic Party preferred Humphrey, a popular stable national figure since many years; "reckless" RFK was an unknown quantity outside New England and pretty much hated throughout the South, laughed at in the Midwest, mocked in the song 'Wild Thing' by Bill Minkin.

Jerry


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JFK was a brilliant guy and a great communicator but he also had a dark and dangerous side.  He was a sexual sociopath and an IV drug user.  Dr Max Jacobson (Dr. Feelgood) was a regular visitor to the White House to give injections of what turned out to be speed and coke. Kennedy's sex capades and other drug use are also well documented.   He was a dangerous man in even more dangerous times.  This had to drive LBJ and Hoover crazy.
So, why didn't LBJ just "out" the president and his brother to the press?  This was the easiest way for LBJ to ascend to the presidency.  I think the answer is obvious.  JFK and Bobby had all the dirt on the competition.  Secret files and photos of Hoover with Clyde Tolson. The only way out for LBJ was a coup de' tat and in his mind and Hoovers mind they may have felt that they were the true patriots. 

Reminds me of a horrid history dhuoco I watched on the History Channel one afternoon, nursing a hangover from hell.

Basicly, to sum it up, Kennedy was a lose canon, drug addled, diseased, sex addict. And lucky Lee Oswald shot him, as he was going to die anyhow, and maybe in his drug induced haze he may have accidentaly fell on the big red button and taken us all with him.

For shame. This is another assassination.


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THE DRUGS IF ANY WHERE FOR A SEVERE BACK PROBLEM,HIS LOVE OF PRETTY WOMEN IS NO SECRET..BUT HIS WANTING TO MAKE PEACE WITH RUSSIA..AND NO VIETNAM..PLUS  cop THE MAFIA..IS WHY AMERICA KILLED A PRESIDENT...SIMPLES..PLUS AN OVER AMBIOUS LBJ WHO HATED HIM..JUST ADDS MORE FUEL..BASICLLY THE VICE PRESIDENT ..HEY KILLED THE PRESIDENT..OUCH..!!!


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Don't get me wrong, I have great admiration for JFK.  I was trying to make the point that LBJ and Hoover would view his habits as an impeachable offense more so than a knock against Kennedy.  Heck, every american president has had a dirty little secret of one type or another.  Power corrupts and if I were Kennedy I 'd be tempted by some of these babes as well.  They were hot.  But remember, that he had the most important job in the nation and this was the thermo-nuclear age.


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There are a number of articles including filmed interviews with secret service agents on this subject.  With Kennedy you've got to take the good with the bad unless you feel that these stories were invented as part of a cover-up.

 rofl rofl rofl rofl

The SS Agents said so! 


 rofl rofl rofl rofl

Sure, like they had nothing to hide, huh?


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The illicit drug use was confirmed by Boston historian Robert Dallek in his book 'An Unfinished Life: John F. Kennedy, 1917-1963'. (an excerpt "As a guest, you are not allowed to view links. Register or Login" was published in the Dec. 2002 issue of 'Atlantic Monthly'). Dallek examined JFK's private papers for the years 1955 to 1963, including medical records. Certainly, some injections would have affected his judgment. Ironically, he and Jackie were the picture of health heading into the 1964 re-election campaign season, of which the Texas visit was the unofficial kick-off.

The only way out for LBJ was a coup de' tat and in his mind and Hoovers mind they may have felt that they were the true patriots.

Gee. In 1963, The Director and Lyndon engineered a soul-retching coup and mind-boggling cover-up, only to have Johnson meekly withdraw from the 1968 election. He did this knowing it would leave the Democrats open to liberals like RFK, McCarthy and Humphrey, with the Republicans running the moderate Nixon (and all candidates promising some kind of "peace with honor" and an end to the war? Sure, pal... sure...

Jerry

Hugh just oozes Viagra.But he will probably go out  with a...

 rofl3 ...with Richard Branson waiting in the wings.


with his wings

Hitler developed a drug "problem" too as he was injected with crap he did not know he was getting and before too long he was HOOKED and it was too late to stop.

Many leaders have been controlled with drugs, so if they were giving him drugs it failed so they had to resort to the other option.


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i believe all these allegations are false , and nothing more than bad propaganda , and disinformation in attempt to discredit JFK for other motives. there has not been evidence that he slept with Marylyn monroe or was a sexual social path.

Not quite. There is no proof that he consummated with Marilyn Monroe, but everyone knew that he had numerous affairs, including Hoover who warned RFK and Jackie who commented on it casually.


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JFK was a brilliant guy and a great communicator but he also had a dark and dangerous side.  He was a sexual sociopath and an IV drug user.  Dr Max Jacobson (Dr. Feelgood) was a regular visitor to the White House to give injections of what turned out to be speed and coke. Kennedy's sex capades and other drug use are also well documented.   He was a dangerous man in even more dangerous times.  This had to drive LBJ and Hoover crazy.
So, why didn't LBJ just "out" the president and his brother to the press?  This was the easiest way for LBJ to ascend to the presidency.  I think the answer is obvious.  JFK and Bobby had all the dirt on the competition.  Secret files and photos of Hoover with Clyde Tolson. The only way out for LBJ was a coup de' tat and in his mind and Hoovers mind they may have felt that they were the true patriots. 

Reminds me of a horrid history dhuoco I watched on the History Channel one afternoon, nursing a hangover from hell.

Basicly, to sum it up, Kennedy was a lose canon, drug addled, diseased, sex addict. And lucky Lee Oswald shot him, as he was going to die anyhow, and maybe in his drug induced haze he may have accidentaly fell on the big red button and taken us all with him.

For shame. This is another assassination.

That's similar to the Angleton theory that Angleton was worried that Kennedy might start WWIII with bad judgments fueled by drug use so he masterminded the assassination for the good of the country.
Oswald's mother went even farther and suggested that Kennedy knew he was dying and the CIA used Oswald to put him out of his misery for the good of the country.


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i believe all these allegations are false , and nothing more than bad propaganda , and disinformation in attempt to discredit JFK for other motives. there has not been evidence that he slept with Marylyn monroe or was a sexual social path.

Not quite. There is no proof that he consummated with Marilyn Monroe, but everyone knew that he had numerous affairs, including Hoover who warned RFK and Jackie who commented on it casually.


Isn't it ironic that a homosexual cross-dresser was worried about what JFK was doing?  Did he get this "fear and worry" while spending on vacation for free at the various MOB places he went?



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