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Members might be interested in some cutting edge research, pro & con, found on another forum. This is a compendium of critical issues which are also debated here on this forum.  See: As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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September 12, 2010, 12:33:09 PM
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Well, somebody did it.
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Ok SO Jim says that VB use tactics to intimidate people into believing the book, like this.
If he caricatured them and demonized them, he could deflate their arguments in advance.
lol, then Jim uses the same tactic about his work,
Only someone very familiar with this case can understand the plan behind the book.
In other words if you don't believe his book it's because you don't know enough about the case, forget about the evidence that doesn't mean anything,,,,lol
The difference in these two works is that one is based on evidence and one on fantasy,why someone would waste their life trying to prove that a simple case of murder was something other than that is hard to understand, throughout his work you can see that he is really just a big fan of JFK, that is a common trait among CTer's they can't separate emotion from truth, if they did they would be able to see the evidence for what it is and there wouldn't be all of this nonsense talk about a conspiracy
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« Last Edit: September 12, 2010, 12:34:34 PM by Mark Henceroth »
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LN; So how did it happen then ?
CT; I don't know, I only know that it didn't happen the way the evidence says.
LN; We should not use evidence in this case ?
CT; Correct.
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September 12, 2010, 03:45:56 PM
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The problem is seperating the b/s evidence from what can be proved and in a court of law you can contest the evidence .Most l/N's act like they are the holders of the Grail when in fact all they are trying to achieve is hold together their original thoughts .And the doubt is creeping in with every new piece of evidence found to contest the original.
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Some things we know we know,the rest we have to find out for ourselves
One of the first things we found out was that the Warren Commission never pursued a conspiracy investigation.
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September 12, 2010, 07:07:09 PM
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Well, somebody did it.
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The problem is seperating the b/s evidence from what can be proved and in a court of law you can contest the evidence .Most l/N's act like they are the holders of the Grail when in fact all they are trying to achieve is hold together their original thoughts .And the doubt is creeping in with every new piece of evidence found to contest the original.
Ian there is no proof of a conspiracy at all, LNers believe in things like bullets , fingerprints, physics, eyewitnesses etc.. come on its not even a ballgame
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September 12, 2010, 07:56:30 PM
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The problem is seperating the b/s evidence from what can be proved and in a court of law you can contest the evidence .Most l/N's act like they are the holders of the Grail when in fact all they are trying to achieve is hold together their original thoughts .And the doubt is creeping in with every new piece of evidence found to contest the original.
Ian there is no proof of a conspiracy at all, LNers believe in things like bullets , fingerprints, physics, eyewitnesses etc.. come on its not even a ballgame Mark Thats what this is to the legals a game .You and most L/N's are defending something you think is airtight .And for myself I gave it a cursory look when I was younger .Now I have the chance to look deeper into what I thought was an open and shut case.Would YOU be happy being Oswald and not have somebody at least try to defend YOU.Its another matter to get a confession(LBJ's wish) .But would you confess to some crime you did not commit. As a C/T <dunderhead ,thicko ,  ,kook ,loony or free thinker whatever you wish to call it .I Will question everything until I am happy that my understanding of any subject is as thorough and wide reaching as the next man/woman .But thats just me .I cannot understand why you say there was no conspiracy. As there WAS a huge cover up what for? Oswald was dead the W.C. was not there to solve the CRIME they were there to Incriminate Oswald then go home .Well they made such a mess of the whole thing people were bound to ask questions and when they do You do not like it .Why do most L/N's get wound up because they think we cannot see what they see .Where do you think Albert Einstein got his Idea's about relativity .......By questioning the existing work done by Copernicus .Both were geniuses ask most people who wrote the theory of relativity And if they are honest they get it wrong .Einstein wrote the special theory.Copernicus did all the hard work back in the 14th century.Like the early Warren doubters all they had to work with is what they could ascertain for themselves.JUST LIKE US. Ian
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September 12, 2010, 11:35:00 PM
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It's ok to question things but to totally ignore the evidence is another thing, it doesn't even seem like Oswald makes the list of possible suspects for most CTer's , don't you find that odd ?
No, I don't think it is odd. To read the speculations of some CTers (or watch them on film) you come away with the impression that the entire world was plotting against Oswald in the days, months and years leading up to 11/22. If you talk to any one of them for a few minutes, I've no doubt you'd come away with the impression that the entire world is plotting against them, too.
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« Last Edit: November 30, 2010, 04:00:01 AM by Daniel Grillo »
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“the greatest enemy of the truth is very often not the lie-deliberate, contrived and dishonest-but the myth-persistent, persuasive and unrealistic.”-John F. Kennedy
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September 13, 2010, 12:46:50 PM
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The problem is seperating the b/s evidence from what can be proved and in a court of law you can contest the evidence .Most l/N's act like they are the holders of the Grail when in fact all they are trying to achieve is hold together their original thoughts .And the doubt is creeping in with every new piece of evidence found to contest the original.
Ian there is no proof of a conspiracy at all, LNers believe in things like bullets , fingerprints, physics, eyewitnesses etc.. come on its not even a ballgame No. You believe in fairy tales. You believe in magic bullets and don't ever forget it. Like my young daughters who believe in magic beans that turn into beanstalks when you plant them. I would say you have the mind of a child but a child has more curiosity about their world than you do. You do have the naivete of a child. You believe in fingerprints, you say? Do you believe in the fingerprints that were on the bottle in the snipers nest? Care to tell everyone whose they were? You believe that a man can wipe all but one of his prints off a weapon within 10 seconds of assembling it and firing it? You believe in the fingerprints that were on the door of Tippit's car? Care to tell everone whose prints they were? Do you really believe in fingerprints? Great. Would you like to tell everyone whose fingerprints were on the alleged 'Walker Note'? You believe in eyewitnesses? Jesus Christ. That about sums up how imbecilic your posts are. As we swat one lone nut away there's always a substitute warming up on the sidelines isn't there? I'm sure if you want to take a holiday while Paul May is still licking his wounds, you can always give Daniel Grillo a nod to take up residency of chief forum and dunce...
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« Last Edit: September 13, 2010, 01:08:36 PM by Lee Farley »
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September 13, 2010, 01:48:51 PM
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The problem is seperating the b/s evidence from what can be proved and in a court of law you can contest the evidence .Most l/N's act like they are the holders of the Grail when in fact all they are trying to achieve is hold together their original thoughts .And the doubt is creeping in with every new piece of evidence found to contest the original.
Ian there is no proof of a conspiracy at all, LNers believe in things like bullets , fingerprints, physics, eyewitnesses etc.. come on its not even a ballgame Do you know something the rest of us don't? Do you have access to ALL of the files pertaining to this case? There was a massive cover up, not even the staunches LN can refute that. To see beyond that you would have to have all of the information before the cover up. If you believe in eye witnesses can you please tell me what Dr George Burkley said when he told the HSCA that he had evidence that there was more than one shooter? Surely he is THEE most valuable eye witness there was. Can you explain why he was never questioned before any govt commission or body? When you can explain these things or when every single freakin files and document, privately held or otherwise is released to the public, I find the LN position moot. Just like I find anyone who thinks they have a story or theory's position moot. There is no possible way you could know.
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September 13, 2010, 03:30:15 PM
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There was a massive cover up, not even the staunches LN can refute that. To see beyond that you would have to have all of the information before the cover up.
The likes of the we are dealing with here will refute that Frankie so I just thought I'd preempt a response from him: The Washington Post, 6-24-76 PANEL SAYS CIA, FBI COVERED UP JFK KILLING DATA Continued Hill Inquiry Suggested By George Lardner Jr THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE SAID YESTERDAY THAT SENIOR OFFICIALS OF BOTH THE CIA AND THE FBI COVERED UP CRITICAL INFORMATION IN THE COURSE OF INVESTIGATING PRESIDENT KENNEDY'S ASSASSINATION. ISSUING THE FINAL FINDINGS OF ITS PROTRACTED INVESTIGATIONS, THE COMMITTEE SAID IT HAD BEEN UNABLE TO SATISFY ITSELF AS TO WHY THE WARREN COMMISSION WAS KEPT IN THE DARK, BUT SAID THAT "THE POSSIBILITY EXISTS THAT SENIOR OFFICIALS IN BOTH AGENCIES MADE CONSCIOUS DECISIONS NOT TO DISCLOSE POTENTIALLY IMPORTANT INFORMATION." Filled with tantalizing but admittedly inconclusive details, many of them laid out for the first time, the 106-page report emphasized that it had not uncovered evidence "sufficient to justify a conclusion that there was a conspiracy to assassinate President Kennedy." BUT THE COMMITTEE SAID THE "INVESTIGATIVE DEFICIENCIES" IT TURNED UP WERE SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH TO RAISE GRAVE DOUBTS ABOUT THE WARREN COMMISSION'S WORK AND TO JUSTIFY CONTINUED CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATION. END QUOTE: But an indoctrinated fool like Henceroth prefers fantasy to reality...
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September 13, 2010, 03:37:35 PM
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It's ok to question things but to totally ignore the evidence is another thing, it doesn't even seem like Oswald makes the list of possible suspects for most CTer's , don't you find that odd ?
LOL!! Most CTers are NOT ignoring the evidence Mark -- THAT IS WHY WE KNOW THERE WAS A CONSPIRACY IN THE FIRST PLACE! The folks IGNORING it are the ones who keep claiming LHO did it all by himself! The evidence does NOT support this conclusion in the least!
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A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people. -- John F. Kennedy
"Benavides- Saw Oswald kill Tippit, picked him out of a lineup." - Brian "Doesn't Know His Rear From His Back" Walker
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