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Altgens is almost in the street, here (see below), I've draw lines to him being on (by) the curb. Z's axis is as far, as I can draw (here), towards the left-of-centre of the freeway sign, towards the tower's north-west corner. I'm being as extreme, within parameters of logical reason; to try to address the problem. And in doing so, I still have a massive problem; why have 45 frames separated what is obvious, HERE, from what is SEEN in the Z-frames'? The Z-frames have been seriously altered, FROM THE FREEWAY SIGN ONWARDS, from what I'm demonstrating HERE. Altgens-6 was wired across the world within a few hours, and then mass published. And so, is very unlikely, to have been doctored. You should all be able to determine, from my drawing, that the limo (including configured contents) isn't where it should be according to the Z-frames. Or, that Clapping-man isn't where he should be. Apron-man and Clapping-man, are shown by the Z-frames, to be approximately where the tips of the two blue lines in my drawing from Z end, that is, intersecting within the curb area, to Altgens-6's far right of frame. I'VE USED THE LANE LINE AS REFERENCE POINTS. What's truly remarkable about Altgens-6, is the fact, that one of the World's best combat-photographers, was where he was, at that time, and had his axis, focus, aperture, exposure, and camera, lens, and film selection the way he did, and then squeezed his SLR's shutter release when he did. QUITE POSSIBLY THE MOST IMPORTANT PHOTOGRAPH EVER TAKEN ON THIS PLANET. 
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September 20, 2010, 06:10:19 PM
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Thanks Martin,
I'm looking forward to that 1960's scan.
Chris, here is the scan from the Burda magazine from 1964. This magazine is a special edition dedicated to JFK. It contains a lot of great pictures from JFK and Jackie i've never seen before. Unfortunately they cutted out important parts of Altgens6 composing with the TSBD in the background. Even Lovelady is gone.  The magazine is praising John F. Kennedy and support the WCR and the Lone Nut theory as much as it's possible. I was told in my youth, in particular from my parents, that JFK was assasinated by one mad man. I believed it. So, i used to be a LN'er but now converted. best to you Martin
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September 20, 2010, 06:19:20 PM
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Chris or Martin
I keep getting drawn to JFK's head could one or both draw a line around it ? Thanks.
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Ian, here a Gif with JFK's head overlayed. In Altgens his lips are squeezed and sloping it appears. I have studied this photo now so long, i believe i can draw a sketch out of my memory in 20 years.  best to you Martin Martin Thanks maybe I will look for a while. Ian
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September 20, 2010, 09:34:44 PM
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I supplied a version that was printed in a Pennsylvania newspaper the next day. I wonder where and when this other one was printed, as the quality/detail is much better. Actually the overall detail is better than any version I have ever seen. From 2 different original sources??? chris  is it possible that the newseditors fiddled about a little bit with the crucial parts, e.g. JFK's head ? The LIFE Magazin fiddled about with the BY pics if that story is true. Look at JFK's hairline, looks like he is from planet vulkan, V-shaped ?! And the rear mirror has different sun reflections than in the Altgens "original"
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September 21, 2010, 06:19:41 AM
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Chris or Martin
I keep getting drawn to JFK's head could one or both draw a line around it ? Thanks.
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Ian, here a Gif with JFK's head overlayed. In Altgens his lips are squeezed and sloping it appears. I have studied this photo now so long, i believe i can draw a sketch out of my memory in 20 years. best to you Martin Martin, The angle of your inserted head is wrong I believe, look where the left ear ends up. JFK's nose is totally misaligned from the center of his forehead in Altgens which is where his nose should be. Since the rear view mirror has no knob extending down below, I believe that is supposed to be his nose. chris 
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September 21, 2010, 06:27:13 AM
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I supplied a version that was printed in a Pennsylvania newspaper the next day. I wonder where and when this other one was printed, as the quality/detail is much better. Actually the overall detail is better than any version I have ever seen. From 2 different original sources??? chris is it possible that the newseditors fiddled about a little bit with the crucial parts, e.g. JFK's head ? The LIFE Magazin fiddled about with the BY pics if that story is true. Look at JFK's hairline, looks like he is from planet vulkan, V-shaped ?! And the rear mirror has different sun reflections than in the Altgens "original" Gerry, If they fiddled around with it, they did it for specific reasons. Once again, I hate referring to anything as original, as I see it, we are no where near an original at this time. Altgen's was a pro. The newspaper photo I supplied shows he captured quite a lot of detail ie.. sun visors, wall in upper right corner, line in flag, missing from other reproductions. When someone can supply a non-newspaper copy with at least these details, I think we'll be a lot closer to the original. chris
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September 21, 2010, 08:52:51 PM
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I found this scan in one of Rick Needhams old posts thanks to whoever scanned it in.  Martin is this the mouth you can draw from memory?. I think somebody beat you to it.Maybe alteration after the fact?. Chris this is a lot clearer I was thinking of removing the black space from in between "Lovelady" and the arm guy Ian
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September 22, 2010, 03:22:33 AM
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Thanks for that photo Ian, Which one contains the real hair pieces for JFK and JBC? chris As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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September 22, 2010, 09:02:22 AM
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Chris or Martin
I keep getting drawn to JFK's head could one or both draw a line around it ? Thanks.
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Ian, here a Gif with JFK's head overlayed. In Altgens his lips are squeezed and sloping it appears. I have studied this photo now so long, i believe i can draw a sketch out of my memory in 20 years. best to you Martin Martin, The angle of your inserted head is wrong I believe, look where the left ear ends up. JFK's nose is totally misaligned from the center of his forehead in Altgens which is where his nose should be. Since the rear view mirror has no knob extending down below, I believe that is supposed to be his nose. chris Chris, i believe here you can see it better.  best to you
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September 22, 2010, 04:48:35 PM
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Chris or Martin
I keep getting drawn to JFK's head could one or both draw a line around it ? Thanks.
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Ian, here a Gif with JFK's head overlayed. In Altgens his lips are squeezed and sloping it appears. I have studied this photo now so long, i believe i can draw a sketch out of my memory in 20 years. best to you Martin Martin, The angle of your inserted head is wrong I believe, look where the left ear ends up. JFK's nose is totally misaligned from the center of his forehead in Altgens which is where his nose should be. Since the rear view mirror has no knob extending down below, I believe that is supposed to be his nose. chris Chris, i believe here you can see it better. best to you Mirror Dillard Love field. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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September 22, 2010, 11:58:51 PM
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Ian, Yes, you are right. One of the most important photographs, on this planet, ever taken, hasn't got a source (from where it came from). This, in my mind, let alone all the other messed-up  , means that things have been altered, right from the start, or even before. WHAT THE F'ING HELL HAPPENED TO THIS ... THIS MOST IMPORTANT, TRI-X NEGATIVE (?).
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September 23, 2010, 05:29:44 AM
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Chris or Martin
I keep getting drawn to JFK's head could one or both draw a line around it ? Thanks.
Ian
Ian, here a Gif with JFK's head overlayed. In Altgens his lips are squeezed and sloping it appears. I have studied this photo now so long, i believe i can draw a sketch out of my memory in 20 years. best to you Martin Martin, The angle of your inserted head is wrong I believe, look where the left ear ends up. JFK's nose is totally misaligned from the center of his forehead in Altgens which is where his nose should be. Since the rear view mirror has no knob extending down below, I believe that is supposed to be his nose. chris Chris, i believe here you can see it better. best to you Mirror Dillard Love field. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginChris I beleive that serpia "Patriot newspaper" scan is one i did 2-years ago, i purchased the newspaper on Ebay, and scanned it. Robin, Thanks for reminding me about the source for the Patriot edition. I had forgotten where it came from. BTW, for future reference, the version I supplied is from the 11-23-63 edition of the "San Francisco Chronicle". chris
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