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 August 30, 2010, 02:04:45 PM
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Bill You said you might be interested in hearing more about Mr Byrd As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginI am also trying to find a report from a man who worked at the TSBD long before the assasination ,He was reporting to a Govt.dept involved in arms trading .He had a publishing company there ,there was a comment from his son regarding the rubbish dumpsters on all the floors were actually old rifle boxes left over from his fathers time .Not that this brings us any closer to an answer but sometimes the background of a place or person can help fill in the foreground when we have to decide on the involved or lead to facts in this case . Let me just emphasise the fact I am not trying to incriminate Mr Byrd but spending all this time arguing the toss about who was where when this happened produces very little movement on either side. As I have always said the bigger picture away from the magic show will produce the answers we all require.I might add that a business link to somebody does not indicate their guilt or innocence but could influence a 50/50 decision when it came to a supposedly innocent decision. Ian
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September 01, 2010, 11:02:11 PM
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I'll let Rob's last 2 posts on this thread speak for me.  The guy is a paranoid lunatic who has continually been asked to show a post of mine where I lied. Instead of doing so, he simply keeps accusing me of lying. My name really is Bill Brown. I've never posted at ACJ. Not everyone is out to get Rob Caprio. But, when you tell lies about someone, then yes, you just might be called a  .
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September 02, 2010, 02:36:40 PM
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I'll let Rob's last 2 posts on this thread speak for me. The guy is a paranoid lunatic who has continually been asked to show a post of mine where I lied. Instead of doing so, he simply keeps accusing me of lying. My name really is Bill brown. I've never posted at ACJ. Not everyone is out to get Rob Caprio. But, when you tell lies about someone, then yes, you just might be called a . Just move on, is my recommendation. Anyway, I didn't see any mention of Lee Bower's testimony here, I think it was in another thread though. But it bears mentioning that he was quite aware of the echo effect in DP. And that effect cast doubts on any witness testimony as to the direction of the shots based on what they heard.
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September 02, 2010, 04:03:46 PM
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I'll let Rob's last 2 posts on this thread speak for me. The guy is a paranoid lunatic who has continually been asked to show a post of mine where I lied. Instead of doing so, he simply keeps accusing me of lying. My name really is Bill brown. I've never posted at ACJ. Not everyone is out to get Rob Caprio. But, when you tell lies about someone, then yes, you just might be called a . Just move on, is my recommendation. Anyway, I didn't see any mention of Lee Bower's testimony here, I think it was in another thread though. But it bears mentioning that he was quite aware of the echo effect in DP. And that effect cast doubts on any witness testimony as to the direction of the shots based on what they heard. That is exactly right.
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September 02, 2010, 06:28:00 PM
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I'll let Rob's last 2 posts on this thread speak for me. The guy is a paranoid lunatic who has continually been asked to show a post of mine where I lied. Instead of doing so, he simply keeps accusing me of lying. My name really is Bill Brown. I've never posted at ACJ. Not everyone is out to get Rob Caprio. But, when you tell lies about someone, then yes, you just might be called a . As I thought -- the liar can't back up a single thing he said so he resorts to personal slander and name calling! Where did I say you posted at ACJ? I said you remind me of another liar who posts there! Do invest in some reading lessons! I know you want to distract so bad, but I won't let you! YOU have two things to support Bill: 1) That Zapruder could mistake the eastern portion of the TSBD for being behind him, and 2) That he was mistaken for thinking the shots came from behind him! I'm sure we will never see Bill support these claims of his so cue the personal attacks on me! 
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September 02, 2010, 06:33:10 PM
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I'll let Rob's last 2 posts on this thread speak for me. The guy is a paranoid lunatic who has continually been asked to show a post of mine where I lied. Instead of doing so, he simply keeps accusing me of lying. My name really is Bill brown. I've never posted at ACJ. Not everyone is out to get Rob Caprio. But, when you tell lies about someone, then yes, you just might be called a . Just move on, is my recommendation. Anyway, I didn't see any mention of Lee Bower's testimony here, I think it was in another thread though. But it bears mentioning that he was quite aware of the echo effect in DP. And that effect cast doubts on any witness testimony as to the direction of the shots based on what they heard. Wow, this sounds like LNer speak to me! Did you get off that fence yet Rob?
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September 03, 2010, 04:19:18 PM
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I'll let Rob's last 2 posts on this thread speak for me. The guy is a paranoid lunatic who has continually been asked to show a post of mine where I lied. Instead of doing so, he simply keeps accusing me of lying. My name really is Bill brown. I've never posted at ACJ. Not everyone is out to get Rob Caprio. But, when you tell lies about someone, then yes, you just might be called a . Just move on, is my recommendation. Anyway, I didn't see any mention of Lee Bower's testimony here, I think it was in another thread though. But it bears mentioning that he was quite aware of the echo effect in DP. And that effect cast doubts on any witness testimony as to the direction of the shots based on what they heard. Wow, this sounds like LNer speak to me! Did you get off that fence yet Rob? Do you have reason to doubt Bower's testimony or would you much rather talk about the posters here rather than the topics? Because if it's the latter you can wave bye to me too.
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September 03, 2010, 09:11:48 PM
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I'll let Rob's last 2 posts on this thread speak for me. The guy is a paranoid lunatic who has continually been asked to show a post of mine where I lied. Instead of doing so, he simply keeps accusing me of lying. My name really is Bill brown. I've never posted at ACJ. Not everyone is out to get Rob Caprio. But, when you tell lies about someone, then yes, you just might be called a . Just move on, is my recommendation. Anyway, I didn't see any mention of Lee Bower's testimony here, I think it was in another thread though. But it bears mentioning that he was quite aware of the echo effect in DP. And that effect cast doubts on any witness testimony as to the direction of the shots based on what they heard. Wow, this sounds like LNer speak to me! Did you get off that fence yet Rob? Do you have reason to doubt Bower's testimony or would you much rather talk about the posters here rather than the topics? Because if it's the latter you can wave bye to me too. I was referring to the part you said this... Quote on But it bears mentioning that he was quite aware of the echo effect in DP. And that effect cast doubts on any witness testimony as to the direction of the shots based on what they heard. Quote off Bowers did NOT just rely on what he HEARD and to say he did is not accurate. Furthermore, the part about the echoing effecting the witnesses' beliefs is pure LNer! The BEST WITNESSES were cops and the majority of them did NOT believe the shots came from the TSBD! Why would you try and make it seem like the witnesses could not determine where the shots came from when this is not accurate?
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September 07, 2010, 08:42:55 PM
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I'll let Rob's last 2 posts on this thread speak for me. The guy is a paranoid lunatic who has continually been asked to show a post of mine where I lied. Instead of doing so, he simply keeps accusing me of lying. My name really is Bill brown. I've never posted at ACJ. Not everyone is out to get Rob Caprio. But, when you tell lies about someone, then yes, you just might be called a . Just move on, is my recommendation. Anyway, I didn't see any mention of Lee Bower's testimony here, I think it was in another thread though. But it bears mentioning that he was quite aware of the echo effect in DP. And that effect cast doubts on any witness testimony as to the direction of the shots based on what they heard. Wow, this sounds like LNer speak to me! Did you get off that fence yet Rob? Do you have reason to doubt Bower's testimony or would you much rather talk about the posters here rather than the topics? Because if it's the latter you can wave bye to me too. I was referring to the part you said this... Quote on But it bears mentioning that he was quite aware of the echo effect in DP. And that effect cast doubts on any witness testimony as to the direction of the shots based on what they heard. Quote off Bowers did NOT just rely on what he HEARD and to say he did is not accurate. Furthermore, the part about the echoing effecting the witnesses' beliefs is pure LNer! The BEST WITNESSES were cops and the majority of them did NOT believe the shots came from the TSBD! Why would you try and make it seem like the witnesses could not determine where the shots came from when this is not accurate? I don't understand what you mean by "Bowers did NOT just rely on what he HEARD". Could you elaborate? Why do I think the witnesses could not accurately tell the direction of the shots? Because of Bower's testimony about the echo effect, and others. If you believe otherwise, again... could you elaborate?
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September 08, 2010, 06:25:31 PM
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I'll let Rob's last 2 posts on this thread speak for me. The guy is a paranoid lunatic who has continually been asked to show a post of mine where I lied. Instead of doing so, he simply keeps accusing me of lying. My name really is Bill brown. I've never posted at ACJ. Not everyone is out to get Rob Caprio. But, when you tell lies about someone, then yes, you just might be called a . Just move on, is my recommendation. Anyway, I didn't see any mention of Lee Bower's testimony here, I think it was in another thread though. But it bears mentioning that he was quite aware of the echo effect in DP. And that effect cast doubts on any witness testimony as to the direction of the shots based on what they heard. Wow, this sounds like LNer speak to me! Did you get off that fence yet Rob? Do you have reason to doubt Bower's testimony or would you much rather talk about the posters here rather than the topics? Because if it's the latter you can wave bye to me too. I was referring to the part you said this... Quote on But it bears mentioning that he was quite aware of the echo effect in DP. And that effect cast doubts on any witness testimony as to the direction of the shots based on what they heard. Quote off Bowers did NOT just rely on what he HEARD and to say he did is not accurate. Furthermore, the part about the echoing effecting the witnesses' beliefs is pure LNer! The BEST WITNESSES were cops and the majority of them did NOT believe the shots came from the TSBD! Why would you try and make it seem like the witnesses could not determine where the shots came from when this is not accurate? I don't understand what you mean by "Bowers did NOT just rely on what he HEARD". Could you elaborate? Why do I think the witnesses could not accurately tell the direction of the shots? Because of Bower's testimony about the echo effect, and others. If you believe otherwise, again... could you elaborate? IF you read his testimony you would realize he SAW a good bit too! As I said the vast majority of cops, the best EARWITNESSES going, said the shots came from the GK area! 16 of the 20 cops standing on HOUSTON (meaning the TSBD was closer to them) said the shots came from the GK in their opinion. Two-thirds of those asked by the WC said the GK was the source of the shots (some thought the TSBD as well). Many INSIDE THE TSBD said they thought the shots came from the GK! TO make it sound like many witnsses were unsure about where they thought the shots came from is very misleading. I'll chalk this up to you NOT knowing the evidence very well! My guess is ANYONE with leanings to LHO did it alone have to either NOT know the evidence or received compensation for it.
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September 09, 2010, 02:21:39 PM
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I'll let Rob's last 2 posts on this thread speak for me. The guy is a paranoid lunatic who has continually been asked to show a post of mine where I lied. Instead of doing so, he simply keeps accusing me of lying. My name really is Bill brown. I've never posted at ACJ. Not everyone is out to get Rob Caprio. But, when you tell lies about someone, then yes, you just might be called a . Just move on, is my recommendation. Anyway, I didn't see any mention of Lee Bower's testimony here, I think it was in another thread though. But it bears mentioning that he was quite aware of the echo effect in DP. And that effect cast doubts on any witness testimony as to the direction of the shots based on what they heard. Wow, this sounds like LNer speak to me! Did you get off that fence yet Rob? Do you have reason to doubt Bower's testimony or would you much rather talk about the posters here rather than the topics? Because if it's the latter you can wave bye to me too. I was referring to the part you said this... Quote on But it bears mentioning that he was quite aware of the echo effect in DP. And that effect cast doubts on any witness testimony as to the direction of the shots based on what they heard. Quote off Bowers did NOT just rely on what he HEARD and to say he did is not accurate. Furthermore, the part about the echoing effecting the witnesses' beliefs is pure LNer! The BEST WITNESSES were cops and the majority of them did NOT believe the shots came from the TSBD! Why would you try and make it seem like the witnesses could not determine where the shots came from when this is not accurate? I don't understand what you mean by "Bowers did NOT just rely on what he HEARD". Could you elaborate? Why do I think the witnesses could not accurately tell the direction of the shots? Because of Bower's testimony about the echo effect, and others. If you believe otherwise, again... could you elaborate? IF you read his testimony you would realize he SAW a good bit too! As I said the vast majority of cops, the best EARWITNESSES going, said the shots came from the GK area! 16 of the 20 cops standing on HOUSTON (meaning the TSBD was closer to them) said the shots came from the GK in their opinion. Two-thirds of those asked by the WC said the GK was the source of the shots (some thought the TSBD as well). Many INSIDE THE TSBD said they thought the shots came from the GK! TO make it sound like many witnsses were unsure about where they thought the shots came from is very misleading. I'll chalk this up to you NOT knowing the evidence very well! My guess is ANYONE with leanings to LHO did it alone have to either NOT know the evidence or received compensation for it. You made it sound like you had reason to doubt the echo effect. But you have not presented anything to back that up. I did not mean to make it sound like the witnesses were unsure. I was saying that their testimony was unreliable. Before you start up with claims of me not knowing the evidence well or being a paid disinfo agent (are you kidding me!) you might read my posts a little more carefully. I have not taken a position on whether Oswald fired and it is immaterial to this discussion. Focus, my man! You wrote "Why would you try and make it seem like the witnesses could not determine where the shots came from when this is not accurate?" Because it is accurate, in that their testimony was unreliable due to the echo effect. Okay, let's stay on track now. 'I'm trying to work with ya here.'
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