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You said you might be interested in hearing more about Mr Byrd

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I am also trying to find a report from a man who worked at the TSBD long before the assasination ,He was reporting to a Govt.dept involved in arms trading .He had a publishing company there ,there was a comment from his son regarding the rubbish dumpsters on all the floors were actually old rifle boxes left over from his fathers time .Not that this brings us any closer to an answer but sometimes the background of a place or person
can help fill in the foreground when we have to decide on the involved or lead to facts in this case . Let me just emphasise the fact I am not trying to incriminate Mr Byrd but spending all this time arguing the toss about who was where when this happened produces very little movement on either side.
As I have always said the bigger picture away from the magic show will produce the answers we all require.I might add that a business link to somebody does not indicate their guilt or innocence but could influence a 50/50 decision when it came to a supposedly innocent decision.

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You said you might be interested in hearing more about Mr Byrd

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I am also trying to find a report from a man who worked at the TSBD long before the assasination ,He was reporting to a Govt.dept involved in arms trading .He had a publishing company there ,there was a comment from his son regarding the rubbish dumpsters on all the floors were actually old rifle boxes left over from his fathers time .Not that this brings us any closer to an answer but sometimes the background of a place or person
can help fill in the foreground when we have to decide on the involved or lead to facts in this case . Let me just emphasise the fact I am not trying to incriminate Mr Byrd but spending all this time arguing the toss about who was where when this happened produces very little movement on either side.
As I have always said the bigger picture away from the magic show will produce the answers we all require.I might add that a business link to somebody does not indicate their guilt or innocence but could influence a 50/50 decision when it came to a supposedly innocent decision.

Ian

Mr. Byrd was friends with LBJ!  Mr. Byrd wanted the "shooter's window" but he some how had the WESTERN WINDOW on the 6th floor taken out for him!  Hmmm.

Mr. Byrd is an interesting man Ian, good topic.


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Thanks, Ian.  I'll check it out when I have more time.   thumbs1xx  Defending myself from Rob's lies and misquotes about me has taken all of my JFK forum time for the day.


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Thanks, Ian.  I'll check it out when I have more time.   thumbs1xx  Defending myself from Rob's lies and misquotes about me has taken all of my JFK forum time for the day.

Nice try Bill, but anyone who reads our posts can see you are the one that is lying, distorting and playing various games!

YOU can always avoid my posts too Bill! 

F.Y.I. Bill is the one accusing and attacking me all the time so even this comment is not the truth!


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Thanks, Ian.  I'll check it out when I have more time.   thumbs1xx  Defending myself from Rob's lies and misquotes about me has taken all of my JFK forum time for the day.

Nice try Bill, but anyone who reads our posts can see you are the one that is lying, distorting and playing various games!

YOU can always avoid my posts too Bill!  

F.Y.I. Bill is the one accusing and attacking me all the time so even this comment is not the truth!

Rob,

I'd be curious to know your idea as to why your are being pursued in this way by Bill.

There would seem to be a constant effort to personalize the debate on Bill's part. If Bill can accuse you of mistreating him by your
asserting that he said something that Bill claims that he not say, then it would seem that Bill has derailed the debate. No? Yes?

Thus, an end is accomplished, is it not: the focus is deflected from an analysis of the JFK facts to an analysis of strange personal wrong doing?

Why would anyone want & seek to establish a stage where one might spit out loud, hateful shouting: "You are a  cop. You are a ."

Is Bill paid to do this weirdness?



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Rob, do you care to show a post of mine where I have lied, as you say?  What are you accusing me of lying about?  Simply state what I'm lying about and then show the post where this supposed lie took place.  This shouldn't be a problem, right?


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Thanks, Ian.  I'll check it out when I have more time.   thumbs1xx  Defending myself from Rob's lies and misquotes about me has taken all of my JFK forum time for the day.

Nice try Bill, but anyone who reads our posts can see you are the one that is lying, distorting and playing various games!

YOU can always avoid my posts too Bill!  

F.Y.I. Bill is the one accusing and attacking me all the time so even this comment is not the truth!

Rob,

I'd be curious to know your idea as to why your are being pursued in this way by Bill.

There would seem to be a constant effort to personalize the debate on Bill's part. If Bill can accuse you of mistreating him by your
asserting that he said something that Bill claims that he not say, then it would seem that Bill has derailed the debate. No? Yes?

Thus, an end is accomplished, is it not: the focus is deflected from an analysis of the JFK facts to an analysis of strange personal wrong doing?

Why would anyone want & seek to establish a stage where one might spit out loud, hateful shouting: "You are a  cop. You are a ."

Is Bill paid to do this weirdness?

Miles, even you should be able to understand this.....

Rob has stated over and over again that I have lied about something.  Rob has also stated over and over again that I said that the TSBD was behind Zapruder.  I haven't lied about anything.  I have never hinted that the TSBD was behind Zapruder.   Since I have never believed that the TSBD was behind Zapruder, I take special offense to Rob saying over and over again that I have stated that the TSBD was behind Zapruder.  I have challenged Rob to show the post where I have lied and/or hinted that the TSBD was behind Zapruder.  Instead of showing a post of mine for everyone to see, he simply keeps attributing statements to me which I have not made.


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Bill, all you need to do is produce a map graphic that proves that when the shots were fired the TSBD was not behind Zap, as is the case at Z-313.

Now, the problem is going to be establishing that the Z-313 shot was the final shot.      warrenxx


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Bill, all you need to do is produce a map graphic that proves that when the shots were fired the TSBD was not behind Zap, as is the case at Z-313.

Now, the problem is going to be establishing that the Z-313 shot was the final shot.      warrenxx

It doesn't require me posting a map graphic to prove that the TSBD wasn't behind Zapruder.  I think everyone knows that the TSBD was not behind Zapruder.

As for whether Z-313 was the final shot, well, that's certainly a whole other argument.


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Bill, all you need to do is produce a map graphic that proves that when the shots were fired the TSBD was not behind Zap, as is the case at Z-313.

Now, the problem is going to be establishing that the Z-313 shot was the final shot.      warrenxx

It doesn't require me posting a map graphic to prove that the TSBD wasn't behind Zapruder.  I think everyone knows that the TSBD was not behind Zapruder.

As for whether Z-313 was the final shot, well, that's certainly a whole other argument.

No. Wrong.

Hudson, a very close witness, said that there was a shot after Z-313. Thus, at that shot the TSBD WAS behind Zap.

Thus, you were correct to say so.

This is perhaps the first time you have been right, about anything.

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Thanks, Ian.  I'll check it out when I have more time.   thumbs1xx  Defending myself from Rob's lies and misquotes about me has taken all of my JFK forum time for the day.

Nice try Bill, but anyone who reads our posts can see you are the one that is lying, distorting and playing various games!

YOU can always avoid my posts too Bill! 

F.Y.I. Bill is the one accusing and attacking me all the time so even this comment is not the truth!

Rob,

I'd be curious to know your idea as to why your are being pursued in this way by Bill.

There would seem to be a constant effort to personalize the debate on Bill's part. If Bill can accuse you of mistreating him by your
asserting that he said something that Bill claims that he not say, then it would seem that Bill has derailed the debate. No? Yes?

Thus, an end is accomplished, is it not: the focus is deflected from an analysis of the JFK facts to an analysis of strange personal wrong doing?

Why would anyone want & seek to establish a stage where one might spit out loud, hateful shouting: "You are a  cop. You are a ."

Is Bill paid to do this weirdness?



“Rob,

I'd be curious to know your idea as to why your are being pursued in this way by Bill.”

This is standard on ACJ Miles.  Every post you make, every remark you say, they are all over you with dribble about nothing!  They also include a ton of character assassination stuff INSTEAD of dealing with the evidence.

So to answer your question, this is NORMAL for most LNers in my experience (exceptions would be ED Forum where John won’t allow it) and secondly, Bill is probably someone who has posted on ACJ under a different name! 

We saw this was the case with Paul May and both he and Bill have been on me since my first post here!  It was too personal too fast for someone who has not read my posts before.

Don’t you agree?

“There would seem to be a constant effort to personalize the debate on Bill's part. If Bill can accuse you of mistreating him by your asserting that he said something that Bill claims that he not say, then it would seem that Bill has derailed the debate. No? Yes?”

Yes, and that IS HIS MAIN PURPOSE!  IF you read the CIA memo from 1967 written by Hunt and others on how to counter attacks in the media against the WC you will see all the things the LNes do on these boards! 

NOW I AM NOT SAYING BILL OR ANYONE ELSE IS CIA (I’ll put that in caps because Bill will spend a week claiming I did), but you can see the tactics being used.  John has had rumors that he is tied to intelligence and there has been an article that showed Marguette (along with other schools) do use folks with ties to the intelligence world. Whether he is or not is for others to debate as I really couldn’t care less, but the point is the tactics are used by the LNers on here and other boards.

“Thus, an end is accomplished, is it not: the focus is deflected from an analysis of the JFK facts to an analysis of strange personal wrong doing?”

YOU are correct, and that is the TACTIC/GOAL every time you post something.  That is why Paul May/YoHarvey/AnnMarie/Spiffy1/Tara Lachet/etc…never reads a word you write by launches right into the PERSONAL ATTACK!  If they discredit you, then your message is discredited!

NOTHING can show lurkers or guests more about the truth of this case IMO as IF LHO was really guilty of the crimes he was claimed to have committed why would they need to do this?

“Why would anyone want & seek to establish a stage where one might spit out loud, hateful shouting: "You are a  cop. You are a ."”

I totally agree with you Miles, but I am deaf to it to be honest.  I have one guy following me around for years (I believe he is really John in the cover of a Cter as he spends all his time attacking real Cters and never cites the evidence) and calling me a child molester!  So a  cop and is tame in comparison!

This guy is called ‘Ben Holmes’ but he is a big reason why many a Cter has left the board.  OUR board, ACJ, used to have posters like Jack White and Gary Aguilar (to name a few) but now there is like maybe 7 Cters left on a somewhat regular basis.  John said he would destroy ACJ years ago (I take it he had to create it to get funding from Marquette) and for the most part he has!

NO one without a thick skin can post there!

“Is Bill paid to do this weirdness?”

I see a lot of similarities between Bill and “Ben” but they may be real separate people who are just following the same “manual!” 

He could be paid as Dave Reitzes messed up a long time ago and posted something with a MARQUETTE EMAIL address!  This would explain his “epiphany” when he changed from a CTer to a LNer.

From what I have read John gets a huge budget each year and the LNers who are very vocal (i.e. Posner and Bugliosi) make WAY MORE than the CTers!  This is why you see more CTers become LNers when there is NO sane reason why as the evidence for conspiracy has become more abundant with each passing year!  NONE of them will ever tell you why they converted!  Palamara was on ACJ a few years ago announcing his conversion but would not tell you why!  OF course if one is logical they will figure it out as money is a big motivator.

Who knows for sure, they could be crazy loons that take delight in insulting others too!


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Rob, do you care to show a post of mine where I have lied, as you say?  What are you accusing me of lying about?  Simply state what I'm lying about and then show the post where this supposed lie took place.  This shouldn't be a problem, right?

Bill is playing "dumb", is he playing?  Let's break it down for you Bill in a very easy way to follow!

1) YOU believe all the shots came from the TSBD.

2) Zapruder said in his statement and testimony he believed at least some shots (or the ones he heard) came from BEHIND HIM!

3) He also said the police ran to the area behind him as well!

4) YOU said Zapruder was mistaken!

NOW, you have two things to do or you are a .  Firstly, if you are going to claim Zapruder is mistaken you need to offer evidence for this claim instead of YOUR opinion and belief.  And two, IF you can't do that you need to show us ZAPRUDER WAS in postion to think the TSBD was behind him at any time! 

Keep in mind too folks shots did come from the Dal-Tex building too so technically he could have heard them if that is what he meant!

YOU started the "lie" accusation game Bill, NOT me.


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