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Brian Walker

August 25, 2010, 07:51:35 PM

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In the last couple of days we have seen more of the usual. The Nuts trying to twist everthing, while trying to make this look like a conspiracy.

Zapruder is a strong witness for the LN side, but one of the nuts has tried to twist this in the last couple of days.

Zapruder said he heard 2 or 3 shots. The LN side said there were 3 shots.

Zapruder said they was so much reverberation and echos to tell where the shots came from. The LN side has always said alot of people couldn't tell because of these factors.

And Zapruder also testfied and said right on TV on 11/22 that the right wide of JFK's head opened up. Exactly like the autopsy photos and the Zfilm shot.

This is when they become nuts and nothing but. When they are so obsessed with trying to make it look like a conspiracy that facts no longer matter. Its like a religious belief to many of the nuts. The truth no loger matters, its all about trying to back up their fantasy.

And oh yeah there was the case this week of the nuts once again taking a vague statement from Rub try and show he admitted to a conspiracy. Which of course is a lie, but they try it about once a month.

I don't understand how anyone can be s obsessed with a theory that they are wlling to lie to try and back it. Can anyone of the LN who used to be a CT explain how it gets to this.

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What is silly is thinking that two turns that reduced the speed of the car to 8-11 m.p.h. is no big deal when motorcades are suppose to keep a 44 m.p.h. speed..R Caprio

LHO had poor hand-eye coordination and proof of this is seen in the fact he couldn't drive an automobile-- R Caprio

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September 08, 2010, 12:59:30 AM

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What I very clearly have said, however, is that the white decorative pergola (and maybe the area behind the stockade fence) is what was behind Zapruder. Also, the area behind the stockade fence is not the "grassy knoll"....unless you can show me grass (or even a knoll of some sort) in that parking lot.

You are 100% correct, Bill.
What was behind Zapruder's back, actually changed as he filmed the motorcade.
Looking at these photographs shows how his back position changed as he was panning.

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I do not wish to get into a personal argument with Bill and Rob But was Zapruder filming from the Knoll?. I believed the word Knoll meant Hill If I am mistaken I am sure somebody will point it out .Zapruder stood on a concrete abutment. In front of him was a piece of grass on an incline where the Newmans were . this incline ran up to and beyond the railway bridge and levelled out at the Stemmons freeway intersection. So am I now to assume that the Grassy Knoll does not include the incline upto and including the stockade fence and concrete wall.IOW the steps leading down to Elm is the border between The Knoll and what ?.I could think of a name for it but I would rather it came from somebody who had actually been there and knows.

Ian

Bill and Lee have both been there.

Being there is not the answer I was looking for! Let's say theoretically they are correct, at this stage of the case (nearly 47 years out) the terminology is what wins out! IOW, if the local natives don't consider this part to be the GK, but the researchers, the WC and every one else does, we have to go with that as that is what everyone is referring to!

The point is this, the evidence shows us shots came from the stockade fence/concrete wall section of DP and that is BEHIND Zapruder! Bill believes LHO acted alone (at least that is my impression of what he thinks based on all of his posts) and there is ONLY one location for that belief and that was NEVER BEHIND Zapruder. That was my point.

Bill, like many others who share his beliefs never address the POINT, but instead play games making other things the focal point!

To sum up:

THERE IS NO WAY ANYONE CAN CLAIM THE TSBD WAS BEHIND ZAPRUDER!

The rest is just semantics to distract.

The point is this, the evidence shows us shots came from the stockade fence/concrete wall section of DP - Rob Caprio

Really? rofl

Care to show this "evidence"?

The point is this, the evidence shows us shots came from the stockade fence/concrete wall section of DP and that is BEHIND Zapruder! - Rob Caprio

Good. At least you finally acknowledge that the grassy knoll was not behind Zapruder, as you falsely claimed earlier. Caprio Error #14 or CE14, as I like to call it: "(Zapruder) was left with the impression the shots came from BEHIND him which would have meant the Grassy Knoll area"

THERE IS NO WAY ANYONE CAN CLAIM THE TSBD WAS BEHIND ZAPRUDER! - Rob Caprio

I agree. In fact, I have never disagreed with this statement.

The evidence is in the statements (withheld of course for many years) of almost everyone who worked on him and did an autopsy on him!

His RIGHT-REAR PORTION OF HIS HEAD WAS BLOWN OUT! He had an entry wound in the throat and right temple!

He had NO wound at the base of the neck!

What evidence do YOU have to show he was shot in the back of the head and base of the neck?

I asked Robbie yesterday to name the Doctors who said there was an eentry wound in the right temple. So far nothing.. Just Robbie making stuff up again.

So Malcolm Kilduff, White House Assistant Press Secretary, JUST MADE IT UP? Too bad he was filmed pointing to the right temple, HUH? I mean you folks have tried to say this never happened! Simple denial is your best tactic most of the time!

What a surprise a conspiracy nut uses something very vague to try and back a rediculous claim. You guys do this over and over and over again.

So now Malcolm Kilduff pointing to his right temple means it was an extrance wound. Its like you are joking. You have no waying od knowing if Kidduff was just pointing there because thats where a whole was blown out. But that doesn't matter, its more desperation to try and back a rediculous theory.

Waiting for the names of the doctors who saw an extrance wound on the right temple..

You have zero credibility left. You said the other day more witnsses said they heard shots from the GK then the TSBD. That was a lie.

You go on and on about Zapruder saying the shots came from behind, but ignore the fact that he said he didn't know where the shots came from, but because the right wide of the head opened up like the Zfilm and autopsy show, he thought it might have some from behind him. You are too simple to even understand that.

Waiting for the names Robbie.

LOL! So Brianie thinks a small wound could be an exit wound! If you want the doctor's names so bad let me give you some advice I got from Bill when I asked for a cite -- USE GOOGLE!

Ah, I have NO credibility left says the man who NEVER HAD ANY TO START WITH! Why would I want credibility from a man like you in the first place?

We see Brianie can't cite anything!

Usu Google..Translation..You have nothing and you know it.

Translation -- YOU don't know anything about the evidence in this case! IF you did you would know what the doctors and others who viewed his body said!

By the by, siding with the likes of Brian Walker won't help your cause IF you are truly undecided and looking for answers as he is a caustic individual with NO understanding of the evidence in this case.

To each his own though.

Translation..You made it up with you said Doctors said there was a small bullet hole in the right temple.

The real translation is that YOU don't have a clue about what the doctors said in this case!

Translation. You can't name a doctor who said there was a small extrance hole in the right temple. You like usual in your search for the truth, made up a lie.

I find it funny that you say I don't know anything about the case, while making this claim. You also claimed most witnsses said the shots came from the GK> If I was going to post all the lies you have told, would be up all night.

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Ian Kingsbury

September 08, 2010, 04:09:15 PM

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Brian?

We are all running to the brick house .are you staying in the straw house because somebody told you the Big Bad Wolf suffers from Hay Fever?.
Or if you move on that he is afraid of Wood splinters?.

You ask me to be categorical
so I get allegorical
I'll answer and quick
when you stop being Thick.
you say whatever
you'll never be clever
I've tried to help you,you need a coach
but your manner and attitude are beyond reproach

Is this Janet and John(comprehension 101) enough for you?.
Go buy a Mad mag N' Chill out Mr. Angry

Ian

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One of the first things we found out was that the Warren Commission never pursued a conspiracy investigation.
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Rob Caprio

September 08, 2010, 04:46:41 PM

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I just find it so fascinating that folks like Brian argue for evidence they seem to know nothing about!

Robert

Reality check.

folks like Brian

Rob, if you were arguing for an cause/position that was baseless in fact, would you want to see any provable facts aired in public which would destroy your cause/position?

No?

Then, why would someone (folks like Brian) espouse an irrational, baseless cause/position? Would that someone be:

1.) nuts?

or

2.) paid?

Your opinion?

Miles, my opinion is the obvious one! Number 2 (just like LHO in the lineups) is the one that makes most sense. IF there was evidence that showed LHO was involved in the shooting of JFK, JBC and JDT then I could buy the appropriate answer of they are defending the truth, but come on! There isn't one piece of evidence that shows us LHO was guilty of shooting anyone!

Almost all the evidence the WC, HSCA and others gave us falls apart on the tiniest of examination and actually winds up showing the OPPOSITE is correct the vast majority of the time! Beyond money, what would motivate someone to defend this day after day after day, year after year after year? In fact I am being to kind to use the word "defend" as all most of them do is attack the person pointing the lies instead of dealing with the UNSUPPORTING evidence their side presented!

scratch

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"Benavides- Saw Oswald kill Tippit, picked him out of a lineup." - Brian "Doesn't Know His Rear From His Back" Walker

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Rob Caprio

September 08, 2010, 04:48:40 PM

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I just find it so fascinating that folks like Brian argue for evidence they seem to know nothing about!

Robert

If the

known as Brian Walker is being paid, whoever is paying him should ask for a full refund and possible compensation.

He asks for evidence, because he knows sod all, he is given it and then moves onto a new thread asking for evidence for something different.

He's quite simply the most idiotic and ignorant member of this forum. He'd be better off putting his energy into something that his walnut sized brain can comprehend. Maybe watching the WWE is more his level?

I have said for a long time now that if they are going to waste taxpayer money on this stuff at least pick some more credible people!

rofl

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Brian Walker

September 09, 2010, 09:38:14 PM

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Rob, I've never said that the TSBD was behind Zapruder. You have yet to show where I ever said this.

You did, however, make these 2 statements:

I never said he said Grassy Knoll Bill! More deception by YOU! - Rob Caprio

(Zapruder) was left with the impression the shots came from BEHIND him which would have meant the Grassy Knoll area" - Rob Caprio

The difference is, I'm shwoing your posts to back up my claims about statements that you made, You are not doing the same for me.

I never did say Zapruder said the GK area! I said he said "Behind him" many times!

For nearly 47 years researchers and official government bodies have divided the kill zone up into TWO AREAS -- THE TSBD AND GK! The POINT IS THAT THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE TSBD WAS NEVER BEHIND ZAPRUDER and that is where YOU said the shots came from!

So how did an area that was never behind him sound like it was behind him? That is the simple question I have asked you for a week now and you won't answer! YOU instead play games and tell us he was "mistaken" with NO supporting evidence cited!

YOUR posts are readily available for everyone to read (heck they are in this very thread) so why do I have to quote them constantly?

YOU said Zapruder was mistaken and offered no support for this claim!

YOU believe the shots came from the SN and yet you can't show us that was ever BEHIND Zapruder!

The only one making claims he can't support is YOU!

Robbie ignores the fact thatZapruder said flat out he didn't know where the shots came from.

he also ignores that Zapruder said this.

In Part 2 of the CBS "Warren Report" broadcast, famed amateur
filmmaker Abraham Zapruder was interviewed from Dealey Plaza. Mr.
Zapruder offered up these comments:

ZAPRUDER -- "I'm not a ballistic expert, but I believe if there were
shots that were coming by my right ear, I would hear a different
sound. I heard shots coming from--I wouldn't know which direction to
say--but it was proven from the Texas Book Depository. And they all
sounded alike; there was no different sound at all."

Sad face here, Robbie.

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Vestan Reeney

September 14, 2010, 01:57:50 PM

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Don't worry about it, Brian. There will never be any proof of any conspiracy. There hasn't been any proof of a conspiracy so far and there never will be.

Bill, I find it hard to believe that after 3 and a half thousand posts and an obvious insurmountable amount of time on this board, you still feel there is nothing that points toward conspiracy in this case. Are you taking on board what other people are saying? Are you wasting your time? I just don't get it.

Cheers.

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September 14, 2010, 02:05:59 PM

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Don't worry about it, Brian. There will never be any proof of any conspiracy. There hasn't been any proof of a conspiracy so far and there never will be. This is simply because there was not a conspiracy. If there were a conspiracy, it would be out in the open by now. If there were a conspiracy, there would be overwhelming evidence by now. Overwhelming enough to the point that there would be no debate. This hasn't happened and it never will. There was no conspiracy. This only happened one way and it was the act of one lone nut. One lone nut who murdered two men, two men who deserved better.

A small conspiracy would be difficult to detect, yet alone prove.

I think what you say is partically correct. We can rule out a big conspiracy at this point. (What's a big conspiracy? I don't know... 20 or more people)

Do you know how many people Sam Giancana had killed? Ditto Carlos Marcello? The list goes on with Mob bosses, but the vast majority of them are NEVER tried for the murders or of course found guilty! Why? Because they use INSULATING LEVELS BETWEEN THEM AND THE SHOOTERS so nothing can be tied back to them! This is why ALL the levels of conspiracy will never be known.

NO one can say how big or small it would have been as it is impossible to ever know for sure, even with a full honest investigation.

Caprio AGIN makes statements as FACT. What doe he actually offer? The conjecture and speculation of a fringe kook.....what a shock lol

Paul, to be completely fair to you, a respected fellow member, and to give you a fair chance at denial: Is any of this preposterous malarkey true?

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THE PATHOLOGICAL LIAR KNOWN AS PAUL MAY/YOHARVEY/SPIFFY/SPIFFY_ONE/
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Paul May
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Paul May has posted at alt. conspiracy.jfk under the following
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1. PAUL MAY claimed that the Oswald rifle had no scope when found.

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But a photo of Lt. Day in the TSBD picking the rifle up by the strap
SHOWS a scope ATTACHED:

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2. PAUL MAY perpetrated a falsehood that:: " In the mid 1950's Lee
Oswald spoke about killing an American President. Palmer MacBride
testified to the WC, in 1956 he befriended Oswald and they often
discussed politics. MacBride said that one central theme discussed was
the "exploitation of the working class" and one one occassion after
they began discussing President Eisenhower, Oswald made a statement
that he would like to kill the President because he was exploiting the
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but in fact: McBride's affidavit given to the FBI alleged that Oswald
made the statement in "late 1957 or early 1958", not in 1956 as
YoHarvey claimed. The 1957-58 timeframe conflicted with Marine records
that clearly showed that Oswald was in Japan at that time.

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3. PAUL MAY calls John Simkin's Education Forum a "demented group of
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in another post he refers to it as "major kook central"

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4. PAUL MAY CLAIMED THAT RFK KEPT JFK'S BRAIN BECAUSE "HE WANTED
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5. PAUL MAY CLAIMED THAT THE BULLETS AND SHELLS IN THE TIPPIT MURDER
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6. PAUL MAY CLAIMED THAT LBJ ADVISOR JACK VALENTI WAS ALIVE AND 88
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7. PAUL MAY ON FBI MAN FRANK O'NEILL'S DESCRIPTION OF A MASSIVE WOUND
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8.PAUL MAY CLAIMS GENERAL WALKER WAS SHOT

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PAUL MAY attacks other posters with libellous lies, like these:

1. Paul May claimed that I was arrested in March 1994 for not paying a
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but he could provide no evidence of his claim.

2. Paul May produced a fake newspaper story that claimed that I was
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even though I was only 9 when he was murdered.

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Jesus/Robcap: " I like young boys, so what"?

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Jesus loves little boys.......because he's not been married.

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I'm sure you're more creative when you attempt to attract young boys
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don't you usually reserve the word "Sweetheart" for the 12 year old
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Show those stolen videos to the 12 year old butt boys you love!

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Jesus likes to butt Goodbye 12 year old boys

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Use the underwear of one of those 12 year old boys you buttfuck.

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Miles and Rob, you're wasting your time. May is obviously a troll that is totally unhinged.

I wouldn't be surprised if he has already reinvented himself under another name on this board, or perhaps handed over posting priveleges to another one of his odious pseudonyms already.

If there was any decent moderating on here this crackpot would have been banned donkeys ago. I feel sorry for yous guys having to put up with this bollocks.

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So, what lunacy are you propagating now Mr. Answers?

You’re now suggesting that retired Major General Edwin Walker’s witness testimony concerning the bullet that way taken out of his wall and that he held in his hands is not valid? His eyewitness experiences concerning his attempted assassination are irrelevant? What planet do you live on?

So you are intelligent and I’m an cop

, Brian? Let’s test your hypothesis shall we?

Oh and before you start with your black and white bollocks concerning what I have previously said. Walker claimed the bullet that was taken out of his wall was a steel jacketed missile. As we all know the carcano ammunition was copper jacketed. Not only did Walker state this but it is also described as a steel jacketed bullet on the incident report. So, using a language system that many adults have the ability to follow, I recommend you begin reading between the lines of what I write lest you become identified as a member who suffers from some form of autism. If the bullet that is in evidence is the same bullet that Walker held in his hands it has changed element properties. End of story.

So is this another magic bullet? Scrap that, Brian. That’s too easy. Let’s go for some answers that have a bit of meat on them, unlike your brain.

Have a stab. Show everyone how clever you are;

1. How can you reconcile the note that Oswald left with the Walker shooting? It mentions nothing about Walker or anything to connect Oswald to a crime. What evidentiary value does it have to the claim that Oswald fired at Walker?
2. When did Marina first claim to the authorities that Oswald took a shot at Oswald? Which newspaper first reported that it was Oswald that took a shot at Walker and what date was this? If you know the answer then you know your case is on dodgy ground. If you don’t know the answer then get some books out and learn them.
3. Who are the Schmidt brothers? What does knowing the background of these two people do for your claims?
4. What can you tell all the members of the forum about the Edwin Walker phone call that he received on the 23rd November at the Captain Shreve Hotel in Shreveport, Louisiana? What does this tell us about the Walker assassination attempt?
5. Would you care to explain to everyone the reasons why Vincent Guinn’s Neutron Activation Analysis “science” is now considered to be complete nonsense? Why did the FBI start using CBLA in the 1980’s rather than NAA? Would you like to tell everyone what happened when Ken Rahn was questioned about NAA by Stewart Galanor at a conference in Rhode Island in the late 1990’s?
6. According to J. Walton Moore, he was told by George DeMohrenschildt about the attempt on Walker by Oswald. Seeing as how Moore worked for the CIA why wouldn’t this information have been disseminated to other agencies. Why was Oswald still left off the security index if they knew that had a psycho running around Dallas taking shots at people in April? You think this makes sense?
7. Would you like to tell everyone what part J. Walton Moore played in the life of Lee Harvey Oswald?

I hope you provide enlightening answers to these questions Brain, I mean Brian. This is one cop

who would sincerely like to learn from your expertise and knowledge in the area of Edwin Walker and the attempt on his life.

Kind regards to the man who knows it all

Lee

Thats all very interesting, but what about the reason Marina gave for knowing that LHO had taken a pop at Walker?. According to Marina, he was wild eyed and practically climbing up the walls upon his return after the attempt on Walker. Yet apparently, the same LHO was cool calm and collected just minutes after shooting JFK.

It is stuff like the Walker incident that shows how the proof supposedly proving LHO as the killer of JFK hasn't really been though through by the LN side IMHO.

Cheers.

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who would sincerely like to learn from your expertise and knowledge in the area of Edwin Walker and the attempt on his life.

Kind regards to the man who knows it all

Lee

I've mentioned on another board that if Marina Oswald Porter told me I had two arms and two legs I'd go and find myself a mirror. She is a thoroughly compromised witness and her testimony and interviews are worth diddly-squat. She was forced to say what she said because she legitimately believed she was going to be deported if she didn't.

The likes of Brian Walker does not know the evidence of the case and that is the bottom line. It's like arguing with a know-it-all teenager who in actual fact knows sod all. With him it is all lowest common denominator stuff. He reads and takes in ONLY the evidence that supports his pre-conceived opinions and when he is presented with something that runs counter to his beliefs he runs off to the McAdam's board to see what is there to try and debunk what you have presented. That is not research.

Most researchers will go to all the evidence and try to form a reasonable opinion based upon all the evidence that is available. If only Brian Walker was man enough to go and find out who J. Walton Moore was and then present to the forum members what he thinks his role was in the life of Lee Harvey Oswald. He might also want to find out who John Tilton and Sam Papich were and what role they had in the life of Lee Harvey Oswald and then present the LN argument for the activities of these two people.

All of the surface evidence such as the guns, the bullets, and the prints, the other side can (and will) argue about until doomsday. They will take you in circles. If you look at Jim DiEugenio's current thread on the Education Forum you will see Dave Von Pein trying his best to keep up with what Jim is presenting, although Dave ultimately failed to win any converts and got his cop

spanked with the evidence, AND as soon as Mexico City came into the conversation DVP made a quick exit. Only a fool can argue against what we now know concerning the CIA and FBI manipulation of Oswald and the cover up that followed.

Dave Von Pein actually called the Lopez Report that was classified by the HSCA for over fifteen years the "Lopez nonsense." You really can't debate that can you?

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who would sincerely like to learn from your expertise and knowledge in the area of Edwin Walker and the attempt on his life.

Kind regards to the man who knows it all

Lee

I've mentioned on another board that if Marina Oswald Porter told me I had two arms and two legs I'd go and find myself a mirror. She is a thoroughly compromised witness and her testimony and interviews are worth diddly-squat. She was forced to say what she said because she legitimately believed she was going to be deported if she didn't.

The likes of Brian Walker does not know the evidence of the case and that is the bottom line. It's like arguing with a know-it-all teenager who in actual fact knows sod all. With him it is all lowest common denominator stuff. He reads and takes in ONLY the evidence that supports his pre-conceived opinions and when he is presented with something that runs counter to his beliefs he runs off to the McAdam's board to see what is there to try and debunk what you have presented. That is not research.

Most researchers will go to all the evidence and try to form a reasonable opinion based upon all the evidence that is available. If only Brian Walker was man enough to go and find out who J. Walton Moore was and then present to the forum members what he thinks his role was in the life of Lee Harvey Oswald. He might also want to find out who John Tilton and Sam Papich were and what role they had in the life of Lee Harvey Oswald and then present the LN argument for the activities of these two people.

All of the surface evidence such as the guns, the bullets, and the prints, the other side can (and will) argue about until doomsday. They will take you in circles. If you look at Jim DiEugenio's current thread on the Education Forum you will see Dave Von Pein trying his best to keep up with evidence that Jim is presenting although Dave ultimately failed to win any converts, but as soon as Mexico City came into the conversation, DVP made a quick exit. Only a fool can argue against what we now know concerning the CIA and FBI manipulation of Oswald and the cover up that followed.

Dave Von Pein actually called the Lopez Report that was classified by the HSCA for over fifteen years the "Lopez nonsense." You really can't debate that can you?

Good summary. thumbs1xx

These considerations, that the LN advocacy mentioned is so patently disingenuous & spurious, lead to the conclusion that these so called "advocates" are paid. No?

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Ian Kingsbury

September 14, 2010, 04:15:51 PM

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What was apparent was the avoidance of the evidence itself and the effort to discredit the means of evidence .This is the same method displayed by Mr. Walker "I cannot argue the evidence so I must discredit it before I have to argue it" .And as we saw he never argued/debated 1 piece of evidence his motives became clear to all .And like Lee I believe we were one post away from "you don't know nuffink you do not understand". typical teenage angst. .Another who thought they knew better because thier hero said so.

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Ian Kingsbury

September 14, 2010, 04:18:18 PM

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who would sincerely like to learn from your expertise and knowledge in the area of Edwin Walker and the attempt on his life.

Kind regards to the man who knows it all

Lee

I've mentioned on another board that if Marina Oswald Porter told me I had two arms and two legs I'd go and find myself a mirror. She is a thoroughly compromised witness and her testimony and interviews are worth diddly-squat. She was forced to say what she said because she legitimately believed she was going to be deported if she didn't.

The likes of Brian Walker does not know the evidence of the case and that is the bottom line. It's like arguing with a know-it-all teenager who in actual fact knows sod all. With him it is all lowest common denominator stuff. He reads and takes in ONLY the evidence that supports his pre-conceived opinions and when he is presented with something that runs counter to his beliefs he runs off to the McAdam's board to see what is there to try and debunk what you have presented. That is not research.

Most researchers will go to all the evidence and try to form a reasonable opinion based upon all the evidence that is available. If only Brian Walker was man enough to go and find out who J. Walton Moore was and then present to the forum members what he thinks his role was in the life of Lee Harvey Oswald. He might also want to find out who John Tilton and Sam Papich were and what role they had in the life of Lee Harvey Oswald and then present the LN argument for the activities of these two people.

All of the surface evidence such as the guns, the bullets, and the prints, the other side can (and will) argue about until doomsday. They will take you in circles. If you look at Jim DiEugenio's current thread on the Education Forum you will see Dave Von Pein trying his best to keep up with evidence that Jim is presenting although Dave ultimately failed to win any converts, but as soon as Mexico City came into the conversation, DVP made a quick exit. Only a fool can argue against what we now know concerning the CIA and FBI manipulation of Oswald and the cover up that followed.

Dave Von Pein actually called the Lopez Report that was classified by the HSCA for over fifteen years the "Lopez nonsense." You really can't debate that can you?

Good summary. thumbs1xx

These considerations, that the LN advocacy mentioned is so patently disingenuous & spurious, lead to the conclusion that these so called "advocates" are paid. No?

They don't even appreciate the free therapy!.

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