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In the last couple of days we have seen more of the usual. The Nuts trying to twist everthing, while trying to make this look like a conspiracy.
Zapruder is a strong witness for the LN side, but one of the nuts has tried to twist this in the last couple of days.
Zapruder said he heard 2 or 3 shots. The LN side said there were 3 shots.
Zapruder said they was so much reverberation and echos to tell where the shots came from. The LN side has always said alot of people couldn't tell because of these factors.
And Zapruder also testfied and said right on TV on 11/22 that the right wide of JFK's head opened up. Exactly like the autopsy photos and the Zfilm shot.
This is when they become nuts and nothing but. When they are so obsessed with trying to make it look like a conspiracy that facts no longer matter. Its like a religious belief to many of the nuts. The truth no loger matters, its all about trying to back up their fantasy.
And oh yeah there was the case this week of the nuts once again taking a vague statement from Rub try and show he admitted to a conspiracy. Which of course is a lie, but they try it about once a month.
I don't understand how anyone can be s obsessed with a theory that they are wlling to lie to try and back it. Can anyone of the LN who used to be a CT explain how it gets to this.
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If you cannot see the mistakes at McAdams then take Lee's advice and learn something about the subject you are discussing they along with the omissions in the evidence there will become apparent. And try signing off with your Name not your profession .somewhere in England is a village minus an  perhaps you could apply for the job. Ian What about someone that wants to learn something about the subject by seeing the mistakes at McAdams site? If I remember right, after 13 pages of messages there had been 3-4 McA website pages referenced as having mistakes, with 2 of those being written about by fence sitters. I like to research historians as I read their works (H.G. Wells Outline of History at the moment), I find bias on the part of researchers/writers/historians very interesting and informative, often more so than the supposed historical record they are relaying. Yet the CTs didn't make much of an effort at all when requested to participate in an unraveling of McA's site. Disappointing. K, I've railed on that one enough.  YOU obviously are NOT familiar with the 26 volumes of evidence to make this statement! Do you think ALL, or most, of the WC's evidence is correct in what it is supporting? YOU have to as I have explained this before to you! IF you study the evidence and then what the claim was it is tied to you will see nearly all of the evidence put forth by the WC (and later panels) is incorrect, so when one creates a website and proclaims these theories to be correct when the evidence has shown them NOT to be THE WEBSITE IS LOADED WITH ERRORS! Do you you know the evidence in this case or not?
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Rob
It has taken time to arrive at this juncture with Mr. Walker .If you had taken the time to look through some of my old posts to him you would see that I have tried being helpful and have discussed other topics with him.But I find his style abrasive and arrogant which is fine if you are sure of your footing on the topic in debate.So after reading both sides on and between the lines there is some contention to the fact that Oswald shot at Walker.
So in my position I do not believe it to be Fact nor do I believe that "Oswald did it alone" as a fact. you tell me you are interested in ancient history
a subject with very little "evidence" to its accuracy but there are ways to determine facts as in the case of Aboriginals from all continents who carry on traditions like Dance and art and of course the passing of knowledge of relatives .I personally find the study of DNA immensely interesting ,But I am always 6 months behind because it is an evolving science constantly changing new discoveries daily. I try and stay in step with the JFK assasination
but there is just so much to study and so much crap posted so I tend to rely on people who I trust L/N,C/T or fence sitter .IOW some people are genuine in their argument others spout what they believe to be facts without checking thier validity and as you know this is time consuming and a deflection from what I am trying to do.My views will not be the same as yours so "warped" is not a problem I would never attempt to distort or twist a
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I shouldn't have said 'warped' that was a bit harsh. I appreciate the civil discussion. You know, I just took issue with that gatekeeper sort of attitude you were taking, that one needs a certain level of knowledge of the case before they can enter into discussions. The assassination is history, but it also is science. So we both made valid points. I'm more interested in the historical aspects. It's a buffet really, something for everyone. Forensics, physics, image and video analysis, politics, bureaucracy, medicine... no wonder the case still attracts a good level of interest. Rob, YOU won't find anyone nicer and more accommodating on here than Ian so I don't know how you figured him for a "gatekeeper". ONE does need an understanding of the EVIDENCE of this case like any murder case to give an informed opinion or to provide proof. If one does NOT take the time to learn the evidence they are really just here for fun and games, NOT to move things forward. I realize boards like this can't solve anything, BUT they can provide truly interested persons with a groundwork of the case and that is were the evidence comes in. From your comments I get the sense you do not know the evidence of this case real well, and that is okay, but you should be more careful in your comments than as many on here (and other boards) do know the evidence quite well. Just my $.02 so you can take it or leave it.
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What I very clearly have said, however, is that the white decorative pergola (and maybe the area behind the stockade fence) is what was behind Zapruder. Also, the area behind the stockade fence is not the "grassy knoll"....unless you can show me grass (or even a knoll of some sort) in that parking lot.
You are 100% correct, Bill. What was behind Zapruder's back, actually changed as he filmed the motorcade. Looking at these photographs shows how his back position changed as he was panning. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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Register or LoginDuncan I do not wish to get into a personal argument with Bill and Rob But was Zapruder filming from the Knoll?. I believed the word Knoll meant Hill If I am mistaken I am sure somebody will point it out .Zapruder stood on a concrete abutment. In front of him was a piece of grass on an incline where the Newmans were . this incline ran up to and beyond the railway bridge and levelled out at the Stemmons freeway intersection. So am I now to assume that the Grassy Knoll does not include the incline upto and including the stockade fence and concrete wall.IOW the steps leading down to Elm is the border between The Knoll and what ?.I could think of a name for it but I would rather it came from somebody who had actually been there and knows. Ian Bill and Lee have both been there. Being there is not the answer I was looking for! Let's say theoretically they are correct, at this stage of the case (nearly 47 years out) the terminology is what wins out! IOW, if the local natives don't consider this part to be the GK, but the researchers, the WC and every one else does, we have to go with that as that is what everyone is referring to! The point is this, the evidence shows us shots came from the stockade fence/concrete wall section of DP and that is BEHIND Zapruder! Bill believes LHO acted alone (at least that is my impression of what he thinks based on all of his posts) and there is ONLY one location for that belief and that was NEVER BEHIND Zapruder. That was my point. Bill, like many others who share his beliefs never address the POINT, but instead play games making other things the focal point! To sum up: THERE IS NO WAY ANYONE CAN CLAIM THE TSBD WAS BEHIND ZAPRUDER! The rest is just semantics to distract. - Rob Caprio Really?  Care to show this "evidence"? The point is this, the evidence shows us shots came from the stockade fence/concrete wall section of DP and that is BEHIND Zapruder! - Rob Caprio Good. At least you finally acknowledge that the grassy knoll was not behind Zapruder, as you falsely claimed earlier. Caprio Error #14 or CE14, as I like to call it: "(Zapruder) was left with the impression the shots came from BEHIND him which would have meant the Grassy Knoll area"THERE IS NO WAY ANYONE CAN CLAIM THE TSBD WAS BEHIND ZAPRUDER! - Rob Caprio I agree. In fact, I have never disagreed with this statement. The evidence is in the statements (withheld of course for many years) of almost everyone who worked on him and did an autopsy on him! His RIGHT-REAR PORTION OF HIS HEAD WAS BLOWN OUT! He had an entry wound in the throat and right temple! He had NO wound at the base of the neck! What evidence do YOU have to show he was shot in the back of the head and base of the neck? I asked Robbie yesterday to name the Doctors who said there was an eentry wound in the right temple. So far nothing.. Just Robbie making stuff up again. So Malcolm Kilduff, White House Assistant Press Secretary, JUST MADE IT UP? Too bad he was filmed pointing to the right temple, HUH? I mean you folks have tried to say this never happened! Simple denial is your best tactic most of the time! What a surprise a conspiracy nut uses something very vague to try and back a rediculous claim. You guys do this over and over and over again. So now Malcolm Kilduff pointing to his right temple means it was an extrance wound. Its like you are joking. You have no waying od knowing if Kidduff was just pointing there because thats where a whole was blown out. But that doesn't matter, its more desperation to try and back a rediculous theory. Waiting for the names of the doctors who saw an extrance wound on the right temple.. You have zero credibility left. You said the other day more witnsses said they heard shots from the GK then the TSBD. That was a lie. You go on and on about Zapruder saying the shots came from behind, but ignore the fact that he said he didn't know where the shots came from, but because the right wide of the head opened up like the Zfilm and autopsy show, he thought it might have some from behind him. You are too simple to even understand that. Waiting for the names Robbie. LOL! So Brianie thinks a small wound could be an exit wound! If you want the doctor's names so bad let me give you some advice I got from Bill when I asked for a cite -- USE GOOGLE! Ah, I have NO credibility left says the man who NEVER HAD ANY TO START WITH! Why would I want credibility from a man like you in the first place? We see Brianie can't cite anything! Usu Google..Translation..You have nothing and you know it. Translation -- YOU don't know anything about the evidence in this case! IF you did you would know what the doctors and others who viewed his body said! By the by, siding with the likes of Brian Walker won't help your cause IF you are truly undecided and looking for answers as he is a caustic individual with NO understanding of the evidence in this case. To each his own though.
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What I very clearly have said, however, is that the white decorative pergola (and maybe the area behind the stockade fence) is what was behind Zapruder. Also, the area behind the stockade fence is not the "grassy knoll"....unless you can show me grass (or even a knoll of some sort) in that parking lot.
You are 100% correct, Bill. What was behind Zapruder's back, actually changed as he filmed the motorcade. Looking at these photographs shows how his back position changed as he was panning. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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Register or LoginDuncan I do not wish to get into a personal argument with Bill and Rob But was Zapruder filming from the Knoll?. I believed the word Knoll meant Hill If I am mistaken I am sure somebody will point it out .Zapruder stood on a concrete abutment. In front of him was a piece of grass on an incline where the Newmans were . this incline ran up to and beyond the railway bridge and levelled out at the Stemmons freeway intersection. So am I now to assume that the Grassy Knoll does not include the incline upto and including the stockade fence and concrete wall.IOW the steps leading down to Elm is the border between The Knoll and what ?.I could think of a name for it but I would rather it came from somebody who had actually been there and knows. Ian Bill and Lee have both been there. Being there is not the answer I was looking for! Let's say theoretically they are correct, at this stage of the case (nearly 47 years out) the terminology is what wins out! IOW, if the local natives don't consider this part to be the GK, but the researchers, the WC and every one else does, we have to go with that as that is what everyone is referring to! The point is this, the evidence shows us shots came from the stockade fence/concrete wall section of DP and that is BEHIND Zapruder! Bill believes LHO acted alone (at least that is my impression of what he thinks based on all of his posts) and there is ONLY one location for that belief and that was NEVER BEHIND Zapruder. That was my point. Bill, like many others who share his beliefs never address the POINT, but instead play games making other things the focal point! To sum up: THERE IS NO WAY ANYONE CAN CLAIM THE TSBD WAS BEHIND ZAPRUDER! The rest is just semantics to distract. - Rob Caprio Really? Care to show this "evidence"? The point is this, the evidence shows us shots came from the stockade fence/concrete wall section of DP and that is BEHIND Zapruder! - Rob Caprio Good. At least you finally acknowledge that the grassy knoll was not behind Zapruder, as you falsely claimed earlier. Caprio Error #14 or CE14, as I like to call it: "(Zapruder) was left with the impression the shots came from BEHIND him which would have meant the Grassy Knoll area"THERE IS NO WAY ANYONE CAN CLAIM THE TSBD WAS BEHIND ZAPRUDER! - Rob Caprio I agree. In fact, I have never disagreed with this statement. The evidence is in the statements (withheld of course for many years) of almost everyone who worked on him and did an autopsy on him! His RIGHT-REAR PORTION OF HIS HEAD WAS BLOWN OUT! He had an entry wound in the throat and right temple! He had NO wound at the base of the neck! What evidence do YOU have to show he was shot in the back of the head and base of the neck? I asked Robbie yesterday to name the Doctors who said there was an eentry wound in the right temple. So far nothing.. Just Robbie making stuff up again. So Malcolm Kilduff, White House Assistant Press Secretary, JUST MADE IT UP? Too bad he was filmed pointing to the right temple, HUH? I mean you folks have tried to say this never happened! Simple denial is your best tactic most of the time! What a surprise a conspiracy nut uses something very vague to try and back a rediculous claim. You guys do this over and over and over again. So now Malcolm Kilduff pointing to his right temple means it was an extrance wound. Its like you are joking. You have no waying od knowing if Kidduff was just pointing there because thats where a whole was blown out. But that doesn't matter, its more desperation to try and back a rediculous theory. Waiting for the names of the doctors who saw an extrance wound on the right temple.. You have zero credibility left. You said the other day more witnsses said they heard shots from the GK then the TSBD. That was a lie. You go on and on about Zapruder saying the shots came from behind, but ignore the fact that he said he didn't know where the shots came from, but because the right wide of the head opened up like the Zfilm and autopsy show, he thought it might have some from behind him. You are too simple to even understand that. Waiting for the names Robbie. LOL! So Brianie thinks a small wound could be an exit wound! If you want the doctor's names so bad let me give you some advice I got from Bill when I asked for a cite -- USE GOOGLE! Ah, I have NO credibility left says the man who NEVER HAD ANY TO START WITH! Why would I want credibility from a man like you in the first place? We see Brianie can't cite anything! Usu Google..Translation..You have nothing and you know it. Translation -- YOU don't know anything about the evidence in this case! IF you did you would know what the doctors and others who viewed his body said! By the by, siding with the likes of Brian Walker won't help your cause IF you are truly undecided and looking for answers as he is a caustic individual with NO understanding of the evidence in this case. To each his own though. Translation..You made it up with you said Doctors said there was a small bullet hole in the right temple.
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What I very clearly have said, however, is that the white decorative pergola (and maybe the area behind the stockade fence) is what was behind Zapruder. Also, the area behind the stockade fence is not the "grassy knoll"....unless you can show me grass (or even a knoll of some sort) in that parking lot.
You are 100% correct, Bill. What was behind Zapruder's back, actually changed as he filmed the motorcade. Looking at these photographs shows how his back position changed as he was panning. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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Register or LoginDuncan I do not wish to get into a personal argument with Bill and Rob But was Zapruder filming from the Knoll?. I believed the word Knoll meant Hill If I am mistaken I am sure somebody will point it out .Zapruder stood on a concrete abutment. In front of him was a piece of grass on an incline where the Newmans were . this incline ran up to and beyond the railway bridge and levelled out at the Stemmons freeway intersection. So am I now to assume that the Grassy Knoll does not include the incline upto and including the stockade fence and concrete wall.IOW the steps leading down to Elm is the border between The Knoll and what ?.I could think of a name for it but I would rather it came from somebody who had actually been there and knows. Ian Bill and Lee have both been there. Being there is not the answer I was looking for! Let's say theoretically they are correct, at this stage of the case (nearly 47 years out) the terminology is what wins out! IOW, if the local natives don't consider this part to be the GK, but the researchers, the WC and every one else does, we have to go with that as that is what everyone is referring to! The point is this, the evidence shows us shots came from the stockade fence/concrete wall section of DP and that is BEHIND Zapruder! Bill believes LHO acted alone (at least that is my impression of what he thinks based on all of his posts) and there is ONLY one location for that belief and that was NEVER BEHIND Zapruder. That was my point. Bill, like many others who share his beliefs never address the POINT, but instead play games making other things the focal point! To sum up: THERE IS NO WAY ANYONE CAN CLAIM THE TSBD WAS BEHIND ZAPRUDER! The rest is just semantics to distract. - Rob Caprio Really? Care to show this "evidence"? The point is this, the evidence shows us shots came from the stockade fence/concrete wall section of DP and that is BEHIND Zapruder! - Rob Caprio Good. At least you finally acknowledge that the grassy knoll was not behind Zapruder, as you falsely claimed earlier. Caprio Error #14 or CE14, as I like to call it: "(Zapruder) was left with the impression the shots came from BEHIND him which would have meant the Grassy Knoll area"THERE IS NO WAY ANYONE CAN CLAIM THE TSBD WAS BEHIND ZAPRUDER! - Rob Caprio I agree. In fact, I have never disagreed with this statement. The evidence is in the statements (withheld of course for many years) of almost everyone who worked on him and did an autopsy on him! His RIGHT-REAR PORTION OF HIS HEAD WAS BLOWN OUT! He had an entry wound in the throat and right temple! He had NO wound at the base of the neck! What evidence do YOU have to show he was shot in the back of the head and base of the neck? I asked Robbie yesterday to name the Doctors who said there was an eentry wound in the right temple. So far nothing.. Just Robbie making stuff up again. So Malcolm Kilduff, White House Assistant Press Secretary, JUST MADE IT UP? Too bad he was filmed pointing to the right temple, HUH? I mean you folks have tried to say this never happened! Simple denial is your best tactic most of the time! What a surprise a conspiracy nut uses something very vague to try and back a rediculous claim. You guys do this over and over and over again. So now Malcolm Kilduff pointing to his right temple means it was an extrance wound. Its like you are joking. You have no waying od knowing if Kidduff was just pointing there because thats where a whole was blown out. But that doesn't matter, its more desperation to try and back a rediculous theory. Waiting for the names of the doctors who saw an extrance wound on the right temple.. You have zero credibility left. You said the other day more witnsses said they heard shots from the GK then the TSBD. That was a lie. You go on and on about Zapruder saying the shots came from behind, but ignore the fact that he said he didn't know where the shots came from, but because the right wide of the head opened up like the Zfilm and autopsy show, he thought it might have some from behind him. You are too simple to even understand that. Waiting for the names Robbie. LOL! So Brianie thinks a small wound could be an exit wound! If you want the doctor's names so bad let me give you some advice I got from Bill when I asked for a cite -- USE GOOGLE! Ah, I have NO credibility left says the man who NEVER HAD ANY TO START WITH! Why would I want credibility from a man like you in the first place? We see Brianie can't cite anything! Usu Google..Translation..You have nothing and you know it. Translation -- YOU don't know anything about the evidence in this case! IF you did you would know what the doctors and others who viewed his body said! By the by, siding with the likes of Brian Walker won't help your cause IF you are truly undecided and looking for answers as he is a caustic individual with NO understanding of the evidence in this case. To each his own though. Translation..You made it up with you said Doctors said there was a small bullet hole in the right temple. Brian Go to the Mary Ferrel foundation site As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login .and start anywhere you like see how much you think you knew .Or you will end up like the cat on the board. Rob Thanks for the kind words ,When I first started looking in to this crime I had virtually solved the case Just Like Mr.Walker. Only to find I knew very little about the evidence and even less about the new information made available by the AARB.But I did start the hard way reading the W.C.R. in a London library. You can only really teach those who want to learn Ian
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What I very clearly have said, however, is that the white decorative pergola (and maybe the area behind the stockade fence) is what was behind Zapruder. Also, the area behind the stockade fence is not the "grassy knoll"....unless you can show me grass (or even a knoll of some sort) in that parking lot.
You are 100% correct, Bill. What was behind Zapruder's back, actually changed as he filmed the motorcade. Looking at these photographs shows how his back position changed as he was panning. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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Register or LoginDuncan I do not wish to get into a personal argument with Bill and Rob But was Zapruder filming from the Knoll?. I believed the word Knoll meant Hill If I am mistaken I am sure somebody will point it out .Zapruder stood on a concrete abutment. In front of him was a piece of grass on an incline where the Newmans were . this incline ran up to and beyond the railway bridge and levelled out at the Stemmons freeway intersection. So am I now to assume that the Grassy Knoll does not include the incline upto and including the stockade fence and concrete wall.IOW the steps leading down to Elm is the border between The Knoll and what ?.I could think of a name for it but I would rather it came from somebody who had actually been there and knows. Ian Bill and Lee have both been there. Being there is not the answer I was looking for! Let's say theoretically they are correct, at this stage of the case (nearly 47 years out) the terminology is what wins out! IOW, if the local natives don't consider this part to be the GK, but the researchers, the WC and every one else does, we have to go with that as that is what everyone is referring to! The point is this, the evidence shows us shots came from the stockade fence/concrete wall section of DP and that is BEHIND Zapruder! Bill believes LHO acted alone (at least that is my impression of what he thinks based on all of his posts) and there is ONLY one location for that belief and that was NEVER BEHIND Zapruder. That was my point. Bill, like many others who share his beliefs never address the POINT, but instead play games making other things the focal point! To sum up: THERE IS NO WAY ANYONE CAN CLAIM THE TSBD WAS BEHIND ZAPRUDER! The rest is just semantics to distract. - Rob Caprio Really? Care to show this "evidence"? The point is this, the evidence shows us shots came from the stockade fence/concrete wall section of DP and that is BEHIND Zapruder! - Rob Caprio Good. At least you finally acknowledge that the grassy knoll was not behind Zapruder, as you falsely claimed earlier. Caprio Error #14 or CE14, as I like to call it: "(Zapruder) was left with the impression the shots came from BEHIND him which would have meant the Grassy Knoll area"THERE IS NO WAY ANYONE CAN CLAIM THE TSBD WAS BEHIND ZAPRUDER! - Rob Caprio I agree. In fact, I have never disagreed with this statement. The evidence is in the statements (withheld of course for many years) of almost everyone who worked on him and did an autopsy on him! His RIGHT-REAR PORTION OF HIS HEAD WAS BLOWN OUT! He had an entry wound in the throat and right temple! He had NO wound at the base of the neck! What evidence do YOU have to show he was shot in the back of the head and base of the neck? I asked Robbie yesterday to name the Doctors who said there was an eentry wound in the right temple. So far nothing.. Just Robbie making stuff up again. So Malcolm Kilduff, White House Assistant Press Secretary, JUST MADE IT UP? Too bad he was filmed pointing to the right temple, HUH? I mean you folks have tried to say this never happened! Simple denial is your best tactic most of the time! What a surprise a conspiracy nut uses something very vague to try and back a rediculous claim. You guys do this over and over and over again. So now Malcolm Kilduff pointing to his right temple means it was an extrance wound. Its like you are joking. You have no waying od knowing if Kidduff was just pointing there because thats where a whole was blown out. But that doesn't matter, its more desperation to try and back a rediculous theory. Waiting for the names of the doctors who saw an extrance wound on the right temple.. You have zero credibility left. You said the other day more witnsses said they heard shots from the GK then the TSBD. That was a lie. You go on and on about Zapruder saying the shots came from behind, but ignore the fact that he said he didn't know where the shots came from, but because the right wide of the head opened up like the Zfilm and autopsy show, he thought it might have some from behind him. You are too simple to even understand that. Waiting for the names Robbie. LOL! So Brianie thinks a small wound could be an exit wound! If you want the doctor's names so bad let me give you some advice I got from Bill when I asked for a cite -- USE GOOGLE! Ah, I have NO credibility left says the man who NEVER HAD ANY TO START WITH! Why would I want credibility from a man like you in the first place? We see Brianie can't cite anything! Usu Google..Translation..You have nothing and you know it. Translation -- YOU don't know anything about the evidence in this case! IF you did you would know what the doctors and others who viewed his body said! By the by, siding with the likes of Brian Walker won't help your cause IF you are truly undecided and looking for answers as he is a caustic individual with NO understanding of the evidence in this case. To each his own though. Translation..You made it up with you said Doctors said there was a small bullet hole in the right temple. Brian Go to the Mary Ferrel foundation site As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login .and start anywhere you like see how much you think you knew .Or you will end up like the cat on the board. Rob Thanks for the kind words ,When I first started looking in to this crime I had virtually solved the case Just Like Mr.Walker. Only to find I knew very little about the evidence and even less about the new information made available by the AARB.But I did start the hard way reading the W.C.R. in a London library. You can only really teach those who want to learn Ian Translation You can't name a doctor who said there was a small entry wound in the right temple. The nuts love the .maryferrell.site because they can find what they want and not be forced to put it into context. i have seen that over and over again. Mcadams puts everything into context. The nuts are scared of that.
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What I very clearly have said, however, is that the white decorative pergola (and maybe the area behind the stockade fence) is what was behind Zapruder. Also, the area behind the stockade fence is not the "grassy knoll"....unless you can show me grass (or even a knoll of some sort) in that parking lot.
You are 100% correct, Bill. What was behind Zapruder's back, actually changed as he filmed the motorcade. Looking at these photographs shows how his back position changed as he was panning. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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Register or LoginDuncan I do not wish to get into a personal argument with Bill and Rob But was Zapruder filming from the Knoll?. I believed the word Knoll meant Hill If I am mistaken I am sure somebody will point it out .Zapruder stood on a concrete abutment. In front of him was a piece of grass on an incline where the Newmans were . this incline ran up to and beyond the railway bridge and levelled out at the Stemmons freeway intersection. So am I now to assume that the Grassy Knoll does not include the incline upto and including the stockade fence and concrete wall.IOW the steps leading down to Elm is the border between The Knoll and what ?.I could think of a name for it but I would rather it came from somebody who had actually been there and knows. Ian Bill and Lee have both been there. Being there is not the answer I was looking for! Let's say theoretically they are correct, at this stage of the case (nearly 47 years out) the terminology is what wins out! IOW, if the local natives don't consider this part to be the GK, but the researchers, the WC and every one else does, we have to go with that as that is what everyone is referring to! The point is this, the evidence shows us shots came from the stockade fence/concrete wall section of DP and that is BEHIND Zapruder! Bill believes LHO acted alone (at least that is my impression of what he thinks based on all of his posts) and there is ONLY one location for that belief and that was NEVER BEHIND Zapruder. That was my point. Bill, like many others who share his beliefs never address the POINT, but instead play games making other things the focal point! To sum up: THERE IS NO WAY ANYONE CAN CLAIM THE TSBD WAS BEHIND ZAPRUDER! The rest is just semantics to distract. - Rob Caprio Really? Care to show this "evidence"? The point is this, the evidence shows us shots came from the stockade fence/concrete wall section of DP and that is BEHIND Zapruder! - Rob Caprio Good. At least you finally acknowledge that the grassy knoll was not behind Zapruder, as you falsely claimed earlier. Caprio Error #14 or CE14, as I like to call it: "(Zapruder) was left with the impression the shots came from BEHIND him which would have meant the Grassy Knoll area"THERE IS NO WAY ANYONE CAN CLAIM THE TSBD WAS BEHIND ZAPRUDER! - Rob Caprio I agree. In fact, I have never disagreed with this statement. The evidence is in the statements (withheld of course for many years) of almost everyone who worked on him and did an autopsy on him! His RIGHT-REAR PORTION OF HIS HEAD WAS BLOWN OUT! He had an entry wound in the throat and right temple! He had NO wound at the base of the neck! What evidence do YOU have to show he was shot in the back of the head and base of the neck? I asked Robbie yesterday to name the Doctors who said there was an eentry wound in the right temple. So far nothing.. Just Robbie making stuff up again. So Malcolm Kilduff, White House Assistant Press Secretary, JUST MADE IT UP? Too bad he was filmed pointing to the right temple, HUH? I mean you folks have tried to say this never happened! Simple denial is your best tactic most of the time! What a surprise a conspiracy nut uses something very vague to try and back a rediculous claim. You guys do this over and over and over again. So now Malcolm Kilduff pointing to his right temple means it was an extrance wound. Its like you are joking. You have no waying od knowing if Kidduff was just pointing there because thats where a whole was blown out. But that doesn't matter, its more desperation to try and back a rediculous theory. Waiting for the names of the doctors who saw an extrance wound on the right temple.. You have zero credibility left. You said the other day more witnsses said they heard shots from the GK then the TSBD. That was a lie. You go on and on about Zapruder saying the shots came from behind, but ignore the fact that he said he didn't know where the shots came from, but because the right wide of the head opened up like the Zfilm and autopsy show, he thought it might have some from behind him. You are too simple to even understand that. Waiting for the names Robbie. LOL! So Brianie thinks a small wound could be an exit wound! If you want the doctor's names so bad let me give you some advice I got from Bill when I asked for a cite -- USE GOOGLE! Ah, I have NO credibility left says the man who NEVER HAD ANY TO START WITH! Why would I want credibility from a man like you in the first place? We see Brianie can't cite anything! Usu Google..Translation..You have nothing and you know it. Translation -- YOU don't know anything about the evidence in this case! IF you did you would know what the doctors and others who viewed his body said! By the by, siding with the likes of Brian Walker won't help your cause IF you are truly undecided and looking for answers as he is a caustic individual with NO understanding of the evidence in this case. To each his own though. Translation..You made it up with you said Doctors said there was a small bullet hole in the right temple. Brian Go to the Mary Ferrel foundation site As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login .and start anywhere you like see how much you think you knew .Or you will end up like the cat on the board. Rob Thanks for the kind words ,When I first started looking in to this crime I had virtually solved the case Just Like Mr.Walker. Only to find I knew very little about the evidence and even less about the new information made available by the AARB.But I did start the hard way reading the W.C.R. in a London library. You can only really teach those who want to learn Ian Translation You can't name a doctor who said there was a small entry wound in the right temple. The nuts love the .maryferrell.site because they can find what they want and not be forced to put it into context. i have seen that over and over again. Mcadams puts everything into context. The nuts are scared of that. Brian? You have blown your cover ! Ian
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What I very clearly have said, however, is that the white decorative pergola (and maybe the area behind the stockade fence) is what was behind Zapruder. Also, the area behind the stockade fence is not the "grassy knoll"....unless you can show me grass (or even a knoll of some sort) in that parking lot.
You are 100% correct, Bill. What was behind Zapruder's back, actually changed as he filmed the motorcade. Looking at these photographs shows how his back position changed as he was panning. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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Register or LoginDuncan I do not wish to get into a personal argument with Bill and Rob But was Zapruder filming from the Knoll?. I believed the word Knoll meant Hill If I am mistaken I am sure somebody will point it out .Zapruder stood on a concrete abutment. In front of him was a piece of grass on an incline where the Newmans were . this incline ran up to and beyond the railway bridge and levelled out at the Stemmons freeway intersection. So am I now to assume that the Grassy Knoll does not include the incline upto and including the stockade fence and concrete wall.IOW the steps leading down to Elm is the border between The Knoll and what ?.I could think of a name for it but I would rather it came from somebody who had actually been there and knows. Ian Bill and Lee have both been there. Being there is not the answer I was looking for! Let's say theoretically they are correct, at this stage of the case (nearly 47 years out) the terminology is what wins out! IOW, if the local natives don't consider this part to be the GK, but the researchers, the WC and every one else does, we have to go with that as that is what everyone is referring to! The point is this, the evidence shows us shots came from the stockade fence/concrete wall section of DP and that is BEHIND Zapruder! Bill believes LHO acted alone (at least that is my impression of what he thinks based on all of his posts) and there is ONLY one location for that belief and that was NEVER BEHIND Zapruder. That was my point. Bill, like many others who share his beliefs never address the POINT, but instead play games making other things the focal point! To sum up: THERE IS NO WAY ANYONE CAN CLAIM THE TSBD WAS BEHIND ZAPRUDER! The rest is just semantics to distract. - Rob Caprio Really? Care to show this "evidence"? The point is this, the evidence shows us shots came from the stockade fence/concrete wall section of DP and that is BEHIND Zapruder! - Rob Caprio Good. At least you finally acknowledge that the grassy knoll was not behind Zapruder, as you falsely claimed earlier. Caprio Error #14 or CE14, as I like to call it: "(Zapruder) was left with the impression the shots came from BEHIND him which would have meant the Grassy Knoll area"THERE IS NO WAY ANYONE CAN CLAIM THE TSBD WAS BEHIND ZAPRUDER! - Rob Caprio I agree. In fact, I have never disagreed with this statement. The evidence is in the statements (withheld of course for many years) of almost everyone who worked on him and did an autopsy on him! His RIGHT-REAR PORTION OF HIS HEAD WAS BLOWN OUT! He had an entry wound in the throat and right temple! He had NO wound at the base of the neck! What evidence do YOU have to show he was shot in the back of the head and base of the neck? I asked Robbie yesterday to name the Doctors who said there was an eentry wound in the right temple. So far nothing.. Just Robbie making stuff up again. So Malcolm Kilduff, White House Assistant Press Secretary, JUST MADE IT UP? Too bad he was filmed pointing to the right temple, HUH? I mean you folks have tried to say this never happened! Simple denial is your best tactic most of the time! What a surprise a conspiracy nut uses something very vague to try and back a rediculous claim. You guys do this over and over and over again. So now Malcolm Kilduff pointing to his right temple means it was an extrance wound. Its like you are joking. You have no waying od knowing if Kidduff was just pointing there because thats where a whole was blown out. But that doesn't matter, its more desperation to try and back a rediculous theory. Waiting for the names of the doctors who saw an extrance wound on the right temple.. You have zero credibility left. You said the other day more witnsses said they heard shots from the GK then the TSBD. That was a lie. You go on and on about Zapruder saying the shots came from behind, but ignore the fact that he said he didn't know where the shots came from, but because the right wide of the head opened up like the Zfilm and autopsy show, he thought it might have some from behind him. You are too simple to even understand that. Waiting for the names Robbie. LOL! So Brianie thinks a small wound could be an exit wound! If you want the doctor's names so bad let me give you some advice I got from Bill when I asked for a cite -- USE GOOGLE! Ah, I have NO credibility left says the man who NEVER HAD ANY TO START WITH! Why would I want credibility from a man like you in the first place? We see Brianie can't cite anything! Usu Google..Translation..You have nothing and you know it. Translation -- YOU don't know anything about the evidence in this case! IF you did you would know what the doctors and others who viewed his body said! By the by, siding with the likes of Brian Walker won't help your cause IF you are truly undecided and looking for answers as he is a caustic individual with NO understanding of the evidence in this case. To each his own though. Translation..You made it up with you said Doctors said there was a small bullet hole in the right temple. The real translation is that YOU don't have a clue about what the doctors said in this case!
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What I very clearly have said, however, is that the white decorative pergola (and maybe the area behind the stockade fence) is what was behind Zapruder. Also, the area behind the stockade fence is not the "grassy knoll"....unless you can show me grass (or even a knoll of some sort) in that parking lot.
You are 100% correct, Bill. What was behind Zapruder's back, actually changed as he filmed the motorcade. Looking at these photographs shows how his back position changed as he was panning. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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Register or LoginDuncan I do not wish to get into a personal argument with Bill and Rob But was Zapruder filming from the Knoll?. I believed the word Knoll meant Hill If I am mistaken I am sure somebody will point it out .Zapruder stood on a concrete abutment. In front of him was a piece of grass on an incline where the Newmans were . this incline ran up to and beyond the railway bridge and levelled out at the Stemmons freeway intersection. So am I now to assume that the Grassy Knoll does not include the incline upto and including the stockade fence and concrete wall.IOW the steps leading down to Elm is the border between The Knoll and what ?.I could think of a name for it but I would rather it came from somebody who had actually been there and knows. Ian Bill and Lee have both been there. Being there is not the answer I was looking for! Let's say theoretically they are correct, at this stage of the case (nearly 47 years out) the terminology is what wins out! IOW, if the local natives don't consider this part to be the GK, but the researchers, the WC and every one else does, we have to go with that as that is what everyone is referring to! The point is this, the evidence shows us shots came from the stockade fence/concrete wall section of DP and that is BEHIND Zapruder! Bill believes LHO acted alone (at least that is my impression of what he thinks based on all of his posts) and there is ONLY one location for that belief and that was NEVER BEHIND Zapruder. That was my point. Bill, like many others who share his beliefs never address the POINT, but instead play games making other things the focal point! To sum up: THERE IS NO WAY ANYONE CAN CLAIM THE TSBD WAS BEHIND ZAPRUDER! The rest is just semantics to distract. - Rob Caprio Really? Care to show this "evidence"? The point is this, the evidence shows us shots came from the stockade fence/concrete wall section of DP and that is BEHIND Zapruder! - Rob Caprio Good. At least you finally acknowledge that the grassy knoll was not behind Zapruder, as you falsely claimed earlier. Caprio Error #14 or CE14, as I like to call it: "(Zapruder) was left with the impression the shots came from BEHIND him which would have meant the Grassy Knoll area"THERE IS NO WAY ANYONE CAN CLAIM THE TSBD WAS BEHIND ZAPRUDER! - Rob Caprio I agree. In fact, I have never disagreed with this statement. The evidence is in the statements (withheld of course for many years) of almost everyone who worked on him and did an autopsy on him! His RIGHT-REAR PORTION OF HIS HEAD WAS BLOWN OUT! He had an entry wound in the throat and right temple! He had NO wound at the base of the neck! What evidence do YOU have to show he was shot in the back of the head and base of the neck? I asked Robbie yesterday to name the Doctors who said there was an eentry wound in the right temple. So far nothing.. Just Robbie making stuff up again. So Malcolm Kilduff, White House Assistant Press Secretary, JUST MADE IT UP? Too bad he was filmed pointing to the right temple, HUH? I mean you folks have tried to say this never happened! Simple denial is your best tactic most of the time! What a surprise a conspiracy nut uses something very vague to try and back a rediculous claim. You guys do this over and over and over again. So now Malcolm Kilduff pointing to his right temple means it was an extrance wound. Its like you are joking. You have no waying od knowing if Kidduff was just pointing there because thats where a whole was blown out. But that doesn't matter, its more desperation to try and back a rediculous theory. Waiting for the names of the doctors who saw an extrance wound on the right temple.. You have zero credibility left. You said the other day more witnsses said they heard shots from the GK then the TSBD. That was a lie. You go on and on about Zapruder saying the shots came from behind, but ignore the fact that he said he didn't know where the shots came from, but because the right wide of the head opened up like the Zfilm and autopsy show, he thought it might have some from behind him. You are too simple to even understand that. Waiting for the names Robbie. LOL! So Brianie thinks a small wound could be an exit wound! If you want the doctor's names so bad let me give you some advice I got from Bill when I asked for a cite -- USE GOOGLE! Ah, I have NO credibility left says the man who NEVER HAD ANY TO START WITH! Why would I want credibility from a man like you in the first place? We see Brianie can't cite anything! Usu Google..Translation..You have nothing and you know it. Translation -- YOU don't know anything about the evidence in this case! IF you did you would know what the doctors and others who viewed his body said! By the by, siding with the likes of Brian Walker won't help your cause IF you are truly undecided and looking for answers as he is a caustic individual with NO understanding of the evidence in this case. To each his own though. Translation..You made it up with you said Doctors said there was a small bullet hole in the right temple. Brian Go to the Mary Ferrel foundation site As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login .and start anywhere you like see how much you think you knew .Or you will end up like the cat on the board. Rob Thanks for the kind words ,When I first started looking in to this crime I had virtually solved the case Just Like Mr.Walker. Only to find I knew very little about the evidence and even less about the new information made available by the AARB.But I did start the hard way reading the W.C.R. in a London library. You can only really teach those who want to learn Ian Ian, This is a complex case with ties in many directions. Even orgs many blame for the murder of JFK did NOT act on their own and that is what makes it so hard for folks to grasp in this case. The world is much more connected than we are led to believe and everyone has a boss! JFK had many bosses and he did not do what they told him to do, so they 'fired' him! The evidence given to us by the WC and HSCA is good for one thing and one thing only -- to show us the official explanation is wrong. IF one wants to learn more of the actual truth they will have to do vast research and not just draw on CT authors as they will not go beyond a certain level either. Of course we will never know all the who's and why's as this is a very complex issue. I just find it so fascinating that folks like Brian argue for evidence they seem to know nothing about! Robert
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I just find it so fascinating that folks like Brian argue for evidence they seem to know nothing about!
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Reality check. folks like BrianRob, if you were arguing for an cause/position that was baseless in fact, would you want to see any provable facts aired in public which would destroy your cause/position? No? Then, why would someone (folks like Brian) espouse an irrational, baseless cause/position? Would that someone be: 1.) nuts? or 2.) paid? Your opinion?
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I just find it so fascinating that folks like Brian argue for evidence they seem to know nothing about!
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Reality check. folks like BrianRob, if you were arguing for an cause/position that was baseless in fact, would you want to see any provable facts aired in public which would destroy your cause/position? No? Then, why would someone (folks like Brian) espouse an irrational, baseless cause/position? Would that someone be: 1.) nuts? or 2.) paid? Your opinion? If the known as Brian Walker is being paid, whoever is paying him should ask for a full refund and possible compensation. He asks for evidence, because he knows sod all, he is given it and then moves onto a new thread asking for evidence for something different. He's quite simply the most idiotic and ignorant member of this forum. He'd be better off putting his energy into something that his walnut sized brain can comprehend. Maybe watching the WWE is more his level?
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What I very clearly have said, however, is that the white decorative pergola (and maybe the area behind the stockade fence) is what was behind Zapruder. Also, the area behind the stockade fence is not the "grassy knoll"....unless you can show me grass (or even a knoll of some sort) in that parking lot.
You are 100% correct, Bill. What was behind Zapruder's back, actually changed as he filmed the motorcade. Looking at these photographs shows how his back position changed as he was panning. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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Register or LoginDuncan I do not wish to get into a personal argument with Bill and Rob But was Zapruder filming from the Knoll?. I believed the word Knoll meant Hill If I am mistaken I am sure somebody will point it out .Zapruder stood on a concrete abutment. In front of him was a piece of grass on an incline where the Newmans were . this incline ran up to and beyond the railway bridge and levelled out at the Stemmons freeway intersection. So am I now to assume that the Grassy Knoll does not include the incline upto and including the stockade fence and concrete wall.IOW the steps leading down to Elm is the border between The Knoll and what ?.I could think of a name for it but I would rather it came from somebody who had actually been there and knows. Ian Bill and Lee have both been there. Being there is not the answer I was looking for! Let's say theoretically they are correct, at this stage of the case (nearly 47 years out) the terminology is what wins out! IOW, if the local natives don't consider this part to be the GK, but the researchers, the WC and every one else does, we have to go with that as that is what everyone is referring to! The point is this, the evidence shows us shots came from the stockade fence/concrete wall section of DP and that is BEHIND Zapruder! Bill believes LHO acted alone (at least that is my impression of what he thinks based on all of his posts) and there is ONLY one location for that belief and that was NEVER BEHIND Zapruder. That was my point. Bill, like many others who share his beliefs never address the POINT, but instead play games making other things the focal point! To sum up: THERE IS NO WAY ANYONE CAN CLAIM THE TSBD WAS BEHIND ZAPRUDER! The rest is just semantics to distract. - Rob Caprio Really? Care to show this "evidence"? The point is this, the evidence shows us shots came from the stockade fence/concrete wall section of DP and that is BEHIND Zapruder! - Rob Caprio Good. At least you finally acknowledge that the grassy knoll was not behind Zapruder, as you falsely claimed earlier. Caprio Error #14 or CE14, as I like to call it: "(Zapruder) was left with the impression the shots came from BEHIND him which would have meant the Grassy Knoll area"THERE IS NO WAY ANYONE CAN CLAIM THE TSBD WAS BEHIND ZAPRUDER! - Rob Caprio I agree. In fact, I have never disagreed with this statement. The evidence is in the statements (withheld of course for many years) of almost everyone who worked on him and did an autopsy on him! His RIGHT-REAR PORTION OF HIS HEAD WAS BLOWN OUT! He had an entry wound in the throat and right temple! He had NO wound at the base of the neck! What evidence do YOU have to show he was shot in the back of the head and base of the neck? I asked Robbie yesterday to name the Doctors who said there was an eentry wound in the right temple. So far nothing.. Just Robbie making stuff up again. So Malcolm Kilduff, White House Assistant Press Secretary, JUST MADE IT UP? Too bad he was filmed pointing to the right temple, HUH? I mean you folks have tried to say this never happened! Simple denial is your best tactic most of the time! What a surprise a conspiracy nut uses something very vague to try and back a rediculous claim. You guys do this over and over and over again. So now Malcolm Kilduff pointing to his right temple means it was an extrance wound. Its like you are joking. You have no waying od knowing if Kidduff was just pointing there because thats where a whole was blown out. But that doesn't matter, its more desperation to try and back a rediculous theory. Waiting for the names of the doctors who saw an extrance wound on the right temple.. You have zero credibility left. You said the other day more witnsses said they heard shots from the GK then the TSBD. That was a lie. You go on and on about Zapruder saying the shots came from behind, but ignore the fact that he said he didn't know where the shots came from, but because the right wide of the head opened up like the Zfilm and autopsy show, he thought it might have some from behind him. You are too simple to even understand that. Waiting for the names Robbie. LOL! So Brianie thinks a small wound could be an exit wound! If you want the doctor's names so bad let me give you some advice I got from Bill when I asked for a cite -- USE GOOGLE! Ah, I have NO credibility left says the man who NEVER HAD ANY TO START WITH! Why would I want credibility from a man like you in the first place? We see Brianie can't cite anything! Usu Google..Translation..You have nothing and you know it. Translation -- YOU don't know anything about the evidence in this case! IF you did you would know what the doctors and others who viewed his body said! By the by, siding with the likes of Brian Walker won't help your cause IF you are truly undecided and looking for answers as he is a caustic individual with NO understanding of the evidence in this case. To each his own though. Translation..You made it up with you said Doctors said there was a small bullet hole in the right temple. Brian Go to the Mary Ferrel foundation site As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login .and start anywhere you like see how much you think you knew .Or you will end up like the cat on the board. Rob Thanks for the kind words ,When I first started looking in to this crime I had virtually solved the case Just Like Mr.Walker. Only to find I knew very little about the evidence and even less about the new information made available by the AARB.But I did start the hard way reading the W.C.R. in a London library. You can only really teach those who want to learn Ian Ian, This is a complex case with ties in many directions. Even orgs many blame for the murder of JFK did NOT act on their own and that is what makes it so hard for folks to grasp in this case. The world is much more connected than we are led to believe and everyone has a boss! JFK had many bosses and he did not do what they told him to do, so they 'fired' him! The evidence given to us by the WC and HSCA is good for one thing and one thing only -- to show us the official explanation is wrong. IF one wants to learn more of the actual truth they will have to do vast research and not just draw on CT authors as they will not go beyond a certain level either. Of course we will never know all the who's and why's as this is a very complex issue. I just find it so fascinating that folks like Brian argue for evidence they seem to know nothing about! Robert Here is everything from Robbie's ;ast post that is not just speculation. .....
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