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 December 13, 2008, 02:29:54 PM
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According to the FBI, Connally was struck in the right rear armpit area by a separate bullet to any that struck JFK. The FBI never altered their report, even after Specter's SBT came about.
Was it possible that JBC was hit by a separate bullet to any that struck JFK?
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December 14, 2008, 11:15:50 PM
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I believe that JBC's wrist injury was caused by a fragment from the fatal shot to the President.
Now, that's interesting Ian. From which position do you think came the final head shot? Thanks Hi Martin - probably the TSBD. Ian Thanks Ian :) But how did you declare Kennedys strong backward moving after the shot? Martin
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December 15, 2008, 09:56:26 AM
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Martin,
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The initial slight forward movement of the President's head at Z312-Z313 is a result of a bullet striking the skull from the rear. Whilst there is a great amount of energy in the bullet when it's travelling at supersonic speed, the impact area is extremely small - against the mass of a skull, the result of the transfer of momentum would initially be extremely small.
The rearward movement of the head is caused by the explosion of matter from the front of the head due to the accumulation of pressure inside the cranial cavity as the missile passes through the brain, causing a pressure wave to rapidly form in front of the missile - do not forget that all this happens in a fraction of a second. The release of mass from the front of the skull causes an opposite reaction, resulting in the skull moving back toward the direction of the original strike.
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I have hypothesised in another forum some time ago that there appeared to me to be a possibility that Connally was struck by a shot from a window in the western end of the TSBD. He may not necessarily have been targeted, just a missed shot at the President due to some factor (JFK's movement, the sound of the shot from an adjacent rifel in the eastern end slightly before the second shot?).
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December 15, 2008, 01:24:43 PM
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Thanks Giuseppe for the clearer images.
Looks really that at 240-241 a shot hit his wrist.
What do you think about the idea, that this shot came from an upper south-west window fromt the TSBD?
Such trajectory could pass through Connalys wrist and hits his thigh.
This is to me the only answer to declare the thigh wound.
What speaks against this idea, is someone would have shot Connally with intention because Kennedy is very out of focus.
Martin
Martin, the TSBD sixth floor west corner window would be a possible source of that shot  But this would imply, as you justly make me notice, the will to strike Connally. I think, instead, that that bullet was addressed to Kennedy, and therefore I tend to believe that the shoot came from Kennedy back. It is not easy to trace the exact trajectory of that bullet. In order to do it we should exactly reconstruct the position of the car and of Connally on the car. However, as clearly showed from the images, it is almost a certainty that Connally wrist was hit at Z240-41 (in this case a small doubt does no harm). GS
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December 15, 2008, 01:30:48 PM
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Ian, as regards the (possible) source of the shot I agree with Duncan MacRae daltex theory; that building is certainly more compatible with Kennedy/Connally position in the car and with the wounds position. My opinion about Connally wrist wound is the following: As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginGS Giuseppe, Is there a LOS from the 3rd of the DALTEX to a strike on JBC in the right rear armpit area? Wouldn't JFK have impeded that LOS and, possibly even, the SS standing on the running boards of the follow-up car? Ian, could you explain me the meaning of LOS (is this an abbreviation?).
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Ian Lloyd |
December 15, 2008, 02:16:48 PM
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Giuseppe,
Line of sight...
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December 15, 2008, 03:33:08 PM
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Ian, as regards the (possible) source of the shot I agree with Duncan MacRae daltex theory; that building is certainly more compatible with Kennedy/Connally position in the car and with the wounds position. My opinion about Connally wrist wound is the following: As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginGS Giuseppe, Is there a LOS from the 3rd of the DALTEX to a strike on JBC in the right rear armpit area? Wouldn't JFK have impeded that LOS and, possibly even, the SS standing on the running boards of the follow-up car? Ian, from this height  the SS agents wouldn’t have been an obstacle for the shot to the JFK back, and perhaps JFK wouldn’t have been an obstacle for the shot to the Connally armpit. As regards the Connally wounds, the TSBD sixth floor east corner window could have been the source of one of those shots. GS
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December 15, 2008, 05:45:04 PM
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Giuseppe,
Looking at that view, I'm not so sure that JFK wouldn't have impeded a shot directly into Connally's back at the right armpit area (where he was actually hit) - especially taking into account that JBC was sitting more inboard than JFK.
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February 08, 2009, 10:16:39 AM
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Martin,
IMO...
The initial slight forward movement of the President's head at Z312-Z313 is a result of a bullet striking the skull from the rear. Whilst there is a great amount of energy in the bullet when it's travelling at supersonic speed, the impact area is extremely small - against the mass of a skull, the result of the transfer of momentum would initially be extremely small.
The rearward movement of the head is caused by the explosion of matter from the front of the head due to the accumulation of pressure inside the cranial cavity as the missile passes through the brain, causing a pressure wave to rapidly form in front of the missile - do not forget that all this happens in a fraction of a second. The release of mass from the front of the skull causes an opposite reaction, resulting in the skull moving back toward the direction of the original strike.
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Ian, I've read now slome conclusions to declare the fast "back and to the left" movement from JFK. Some say it's the "jet effect" (your explanation) ,some say it was the nerve impulse. Some say (Arlen Specter) Jackie pushed him back in a shocking movement. History is my passion and because of that i've watched many documentary's about the nazi regime too and what they did. Before this devils were going to gas the jews, they let them dig their own gravel and shot them in the head to let them fall into that gravel. I propably saw some dozen of this horrible headshots. I saw the head never moved towards the shot source. Never! Sorry but this theorys about the backmovement are pure theory and melons are melons and not heads. Even in "Inside the car target" the dummy's head won't move to the back quite apart from violentely. I would like to see more proven evidence for that theory. Soldiers and animal hunter should know this. I 've never heard one describes it that way. Martin
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