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 August 18, 2010, 05:24:59 PM
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I usually avoid any discussion involving the Zfilm or the representations of it we see all over the net. we cannot know the source and unless you have a copy from the "original" how can we be sure we are seeing copies of the extant Camera original?.
I have also heard stories of people who have seen a copy indicating more than 3 shots Brugioni alludes to this when discussing the film with Doug Horne
as he was present when the FBI were trying to ascertain the timing of the shots. any thoughts?.
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August 22, 2010, 03:39:09 PM
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Well, somebody did it.
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One question, the same question I always ask but never get a sensible ansew to...if "they" altered the film why didn't "they" alter the frames where it appears Kennedy was hit from the front?
Denis like the other contradictory evidence they ignored it .Hoover set the number of shots ,And as none of us has seen the original film we can only assume thats what happened.But when you discredit part of a large volume it brings the rest of the evidence and the motives of the panel into question . Ian So there is no evidence of film altering then ?
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August 22, 2010, 03:47:02 PM
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One question, the same question I always ask but never get a sensible ansew to...if "they" altered the film why didn't "they" alter the frames where it appears Kennedy was hit from the front?
Denis like the other contradictory evidence they ignored it .Hoover set the number of shots ,And as none of us has seen the original film we can only assume thats what happened.But when you discredit part of a large volume it brings the rest of the evidence and the motives of the panel into question . Ian So there is no evidence of film altering then ? Mark Have you made this decision based on looking at the original? Ian
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August 22, 2010, 03:51:20 PM
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Well, somebody did it.
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One question, the same question I always ask but never get a sensible ansew to...if "they" altered the film why didn't "they" alter the frames where it appears Kennedy was hit from the front?
Denis like the other contradictory evidence they ignored it .Hoover set the number of shots ,And as none of us has seen the original film we can only assume thats what happened.But when you discredit part of a large volume it brings the rest of the evidence and the motives of the panel into question . Ian So there is no evidence of film altering then ? Mark Have you made this decision based on looking at the original? Ian It was a question to you,
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August 22, 2010, 04:03:31 PM
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why not purchase a copy from NARA, i have read that it costs ~ 800 bucks. Don't know if it is restricted to US citizens only, but i think a copy from NARA is the closest an ordinary mortal can get to. What does it take to see the camera original (where is it btw ?) and examine it with a magnifying glass, what permission and by whom ?
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August 22, 2010, 09:02:48 PM
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One question, the same question I always ask but never get a sensible ansew to...if "they" altered the film why didn't "they" alter the frames where it appears Kennedy was hit from the front?
Denis like the other contradictory evidence they ignored it .Hoover set the number of shots ,And as none of us has seen the original film we can only assume thats what happened.But when you discredit part of a large volume it brings the rest of the evidence and the motives of the panel into question . Ian So there is no evidence of film altering then ? Mark Have you made this decision based on looking at the original? Ian It was a question to you, Mark Sorry mate my bad.I have not viewed the original so I could not really make a judgement. Ian
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August 22, 2010, 09:05:50 PM
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why not purchase a copy from NARA, i have read that it costs ~ 800 bucks. Don't know if it is restricted to US citizens only, but i think a copy from NARA is the closest an ordinary mortal can get to. What does it take to see the camera original (where is it btw ?) and examine it with a magnifying glass, what permission and by whom ?
Gerry The camera original is in a deep cold fridge at NARA and has not been veiwed for years.if you order a copy thats what you get a copy of a copy. Ian
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September 07, 2010, 09:56:11 PM
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When O. Nix did hid interview with Mark Lane---He looked upset when asked about the current state of his film---He said---(With disgust)--- some frames were missing---here and there.
Other films and pictures have gone missing, or damaged---Moorman, Babushka--etc.
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September 08, 2010, 03:55:35 PM
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One question, the same question I always ask but never get a sensible ansew to...if "they" altered the film why didn't "they" alter the frames where it appears Kennedy was hit from the front?
Denis like the other contradictory evidence they ignored it .Hoover set the number of shots ,And as none of us has seen the original film we can only assume thats what happened.But when you discredit part of a large volume it brings the rest of the evidence and the motives of the panel into question . Ian So there is no evidence of film altering then ? Mark Have you made this decision based on looking at the original? Ian It was a question to you, Mark Sorry I missed this one. No I have not seen the original so could not possibly comment. Ian
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September 09, 2010, 10:41:02 PM
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I usually avoid any discussion involving the Zfilm or the representations of it we see all over the net. we cannot know the source and unless you have a copy from the "original" how can we be sure we are seeing copies of the extant Camera original?.
When you see a head shot sequence that is too gruesome for an initial viewing by executive members of the Warren Commission then you are seeing a candidate for a sequence from the original film. Herbert I have also heard stories of people who have seen a copy indicating more than 3 shots Brugioni alludes to this when discussing the film with Doug Horne
as he was present when the FBI were trying to ascertain the timing of the shots. any thoughts?.
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September 10, 2010, 06:27:26 PM
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I usually avoid any discussion involving the Zfilm or the representations of it we see all over the net. we cannot know the source and unless you have a copy from the "original" how can we be sure we are seeing copies of the extant Camera original?.
When you see a head shot sequence that is too gruesome for an initial viewing by executive members of the Warren Commission then you are seeing a candidate for a sequence from the original film. Herbert I have also heard stories of people who have seen a copy indicating more than 3 shots Brugioni alludes to this when discussing the film with Doug Horne
as he was present when the FBI were trying to ascertain the timing of the shots. any thoughts?.
Herbert When a copy of the original stored at NARA becomes available we can all have a look .If you order a copy of the original they do not remove the 8MM film from the cold storage and copy from this.you get a copy of a copy of a.......well we do not know what you are getting a copy of .If the Hollywood research group have decided that the copy they have been using definitely displays evidence of tampering,Then the original will be forced into play does anybody know when the camera original was last viewed? and by whom?.Or it its still actually there?. Ian
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