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I usually avoid any discussion involving the Zfilm or the representations of it we see all over the net. we cannot know the source and unless you have a copy from the "original" how can we be sure we are seeing copies of the extant Camera original?.
I have also heard stories of people who have seen a copy indicating more than 3 shots Brugioni alludes to this when discussing the film with Doug Horne
as he was present when the FBI were trying to ascertain the timing of the shots. any thoughts?.
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August 18, 2010, 05:48:26 PM
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I have also heard stories of people who have seen a copy indicating more than 3 shots Brugioni alludes to this when discussing the film with Doug Horne
as he was present when the FBI were trying to ascertain the timing of the shots. any thoughts?.
I have heard stories of people seeing big foot walking around the woods, and Elvis at Burger King.
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August 18, 2010, 06:50:34 PM
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I usually avoid any discussion involving the Zfilm or the representations of it we see all over the net. we cannot know the source and unless you have a copy from the "original" how can we be sure we are seeing copies of the extant Camera original?.
I have also heard stories of people who have seen a copy indicating more than 3 shots Brugioni alludes to this when discussing the film with Doug Horne
as he was present when the FBI were trying to ascertain the timing of the shots. any thoughts?.
Yes, Not one person that I know of, and who claims that the film is altered, has ever studied the original film ( not a copy of any generation ) via a scientific study, for evidence of fakery. Not one person that I know of, and who claims that the film is altered, has produced as a study, and as supporting evidence, any evidence at all, that shows that the items below must also have been altered to tie in perfectly with the alleged Zapruder film alteration. Altgens Nix Muchmore Towner Bronson Moorman Croft Betzner Willis
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August 18, 2010, 07:08:06 PM
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I usually avoid any discussion involving the Zfilm or the representations of it we see all over the net. we cannot know the source and unless you have a copy from the "original" how can we be sure we are seeing copies of the extant Camera original?.
I have also heard stories of people who have seen a copy indicating more than 3 shots Brugioni alludes to this when discussing the film with Doug Horne
as he was present when the FBI were trying to ascertain the timing of the shots. any thoughts?.
Yes, Not one person that I know of, and who claims that the film is altered, has ever studied the original film ( not a copy of any generation ) via a scientific study, for evidence of fakery. Not one person that I know of, and who claims that the film is altered, has produced as a study, and as supporting evidence, any evidence at all, that shows that the items below must also have been altered to tie in perfectly with the alleged Zapruder film alteration. Altgens Nix Muchmore Towner Bronson Moorman Croft Betzner Willis Duncan Altering the other films shot on the day would be a colossal job .And I agree that what we are looking at daily is far removed from the original held at NARA.The best quality and clearest version I have seen is the one used in JFK.Have you ever seen a better version? Ian
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August 20, 2010, 08:55:21 PM
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I have also heard stories of people who have seen a copy indicating more than 3 shots Brugioni alludes to this when discussing the film with Doug Horne
as he was present when the FBI were trying to ascertain the timing of the shots. any thoughts?.
I have heard stories of people seeing big foot walking around the woods, and Elvis at Burger King. Just get the doctors to put you in another ward
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August 20, 2010, 09:36:33 PM
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I usually avoid any discussion involving the Zfilm or the representations of it we see all over the net. we cannot know the source and unless you have a copy from the "original" how can we be sure we are seeing copies of the extant Camera original?.
I have also heard stories of people who have seen a copy indicating more than 3 shots Brugioni alludes to this when discussing the film with Doug Horne
as he was present when the FBI were trying to ascertain the timing of the shots. any thoughts?.
The folks at NPIC saw the original and the descriptions I have read from them (6-8 shots) seem different in some ways from what we would see today.
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August 21, 2010, 06:24:06 PM
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I usually avoid any discussion involving the Zfilm or the representations of it we see all over the net. we cannot know the source and unless you have a copy from the "original" how can we be sure we are seeing copies of the extant Camera original?.
I have also heard stories of people who have seen a copy indicating more than 3 shots Brugioni alludes to this when discussing the film with Doug Horne
as he was present when the FBI were trying to ascertain the timing of the shots. any thoughts?.
The folks at NPIC saw the original and the descriptions I have read from them (6-8 shots) seem different in some ways from what we would see today. Rob I think there is a vast difference between what we see and what a professional photo interpreter would see .Also when Doug Horne was discussing the boards made for the FBI/CIA presentation with Brugioni I am quite sure Brugioni said he watched the film while the FBI agents were trying to determine the timing of the shots and said 4-6 shots were indicated by methods of the said FBI agents.This was for the presentation so they must have selected certain frames for the boards and there would need to be some correspondence to accompany the picture boards.This must have been duplicated work as the boards had been made on a friday and saturday night for 2 different presentations. Ian
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August 21, 2010, 07:05:32 PM
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I usually avoid any discussion involving the Zfilm or the representations of it we see all over the net. we cannot know the source and unless you have a copy from the "original" how can we be sure we are seeing copies of the extant Camera original?.
I have also heard stories of people who have seen a copy indicating more than 3 shots Brugioni alludes to this when discussing the film with Doug Horne
as he was present when the FBI were trying to ascertain the timing of the shots. any thoughts?.
The folks at NPIC saw the original and the descriptions I have read from them (6-8 shots) seem different in some ways from what we would see today. Rob I think there is a vast difference between what we see and what a professional photo interpreter would see .Also when Doug Horne was discussing the boards made for the FBI/CIA presentation with Brugioni I am quite sure Brugioni said he watched the film while the FBI agents were trying to determine the timing of the shots and said 4-6 shots were indicated by methods of the said FBI agents.This was for the presentation so they must have selected certain frames for the boards and there would need to be some correspondence to accompany the picture boards.This must have been duplicated work as the boards had been made on a friday and saturday night for 2 different presentations. Ian Ian, Homer McMahon was the head of the color lab National Photographic Interpretation Center (NPIC) and he described receiving the film from a Secret Service Agent who had flown to Rochester, NY (Kodak is there) with the film before bringing it to the NPIC facility. Bennett Hunter, one of his assistants, will corroborate his recollections and Mr. Hunter was interviewed by the ARRB. They BOTH said they received the film on the weekend immediately after the assassination. McMahon says he watched the projected movie at least 10 times that night (I would guess we are discussing Friday night here – 11/22/63). He will say in his opinion he believed JFK was shot between 6-8 times FROM THREE DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS! After he says his opinion the SS agent tells him there were only 3 shots and they all came from the TSBD. Both men are instructed to keep their work secret and prohibited from even telling their bosses who are not present. A French journalist, William Reymond, claimed he saw a different copy/version in France from the one we see today. It is believed this could be either the H.L. Hunt print or a copy from it. The FBI ordered that 3 copies be made as well. The point is NO one knows which is the original pulled from Zapruder’s camera and which isn’t! Therefore, everyone who views it needs to watch it with a caveat that all they see may not be what really happened. Rob
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One question, the same question I always ask but never get a sensible ansew to...if "they" altered the film why didn't "they" alter the frames where it appears Kennedy was hit from the front?
You ask an easy question. Kennedy's head did not move as far rearward as permitted by its attachment to the neck before his torso began rotating rearward. This observation disproves a frontal head shot as the mechanical cause of the motion while allowing people to incorrectly attribute the movement to a front shot. Now you have a sensible answer to your hypothetical question. Herbert
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August 22, 2010, 03:34:10 PM
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One question, the same question I always ask but never get a sensible ansew to...if "they" altered the film why didn't "they" alter the frames where it appears Kennedy was hit from the front?
Denis like the other contradictory evidence they ignored it .Hoover set the number of shots ,And as none of us has seen the original film we can only assume thats what happened.But when you discredit part of a large volume it brings the rest of the evidence and the motives of the panel into question . Ian
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