 Duncan MacRae |
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April 05, 2009, 02:16:20 AM
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Ken,
Just go look at CE399, that is what a bullet looks like after it causes all the wounds to JFK and JBC, with the exception of the fatal head shot, of course. That bullet IS NOT pristine, and is missing fragments. It is bent and severely flattened on the base and one side, with lead extruding from the base.
No bullet was found inside the car. The bullet that entered Kennedy's back and exited the front of his neck certainly didn't exit the entire car, no way no how. There's only one place left for it to go, and that was to enter JBC.
A side note, so to speak, anyone care to tell me why Connally's entrance wound in his back wasn't a small, neat, circular wound? Why was it an oblong shape? The bullet started to tumble all on it's own, in mid air? I don't think so people.
Bill, CE399 may NOT be pristine, but let's not go too far the other way in describing it, either. The only "missing fragment" that I'm aware of was when the FBI took a sample for testing. It is slightly deformed, though it is in no way "severely" defected in any way. I own a Mannlicher-Carcano and have done test-firing, though I admit, not scientifically. I've fired into sand as well as through rib bone (buffalo) and into sand, both at a distance of approximately 60 yards. The bullets that hit bone practically disintegrated. The only way for me to get an intact bullet anywhere near resembling CE 399 was to fire into sand, again, at approx. 60 yds. Like CE399, it is slightly bent, with a shallow indentation along one "side". Just one more reason I believe the SBT to be pure bullsh** fantasy. Jeff
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April 05, 2009, 04:45:30 AM
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This is typical, whenever conspiracy theorists are confronted with a simple question, which should be easily answered if common sense is used, their typical response is something like "the autopsy was altered".
You believe 100% in the WR, so once again, referring to "common sense" amongst CT's is a joke. The autopsy "evidence" whether real or fake would be inadmissable in any honest court with any half decent attorney for the defence of LHO present. They broke the chain of evidence when they highjacked the body from Parkland & altered HISTORY. The remaining usable evidence all suggests JFK was hit in the throat from the front & although JBC undoubtably reacts to something at the same moment in the Zfilm it could be argued it's just a reaction to something whizzing past him & scaring him. The SBT & CE399 are a farce which no one really believes, you're just stuck with them with no aternative but conspiracy.
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April 05, 2009, 07:56:47 AM
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This is typical, whenever conspiracy theorists are confronted with a simple question, which should be easily answered if common sense is used, their typical response is something like "the autopsy was altered".
You believe 100% in the WR, so once again, referring to "common sense" amongst CT's is a joke. The autopsy "evidence" whether real or fake would be inadmissable in any honest court with any half decent attorney for the defence of LHO present. They broke the chain of evidence when they highjacked the body from Parkland & altered HISTORY. The remaining usable evidence all suggests JFK was hit in the throat from the front & although JBC undoubtably reacts to something at the same moment in the Zfilm it could be argued it's just a reaction to something whizzing past him & scaring him. The SBT & CE399 are a farce which no one really believes, you're just stuck with them with no aternative but conspiracy. "which no one really believes"?? Really? ANY person looking at it openly and unsuspecting, and using common sense, would believe that the single bullet theory is indeed possible. The problem is, CTers do not look at it objectively. They're already suspecting that it was impossible before they even start to seriously consider if it were possible. I can guarantee you one thing, Connally reacting to "something" at the precise moment that Kennedy also reacted to "something" was not a bullet "whizzing past him", as you said. That made me laugh, and I thank you for that. IF, and I say IF, Connally would have reacted to something whizzing past him but not actually hitting him, it would have been a good 2 seconds after his actual reaction. As far as timing, you don't react to a bullet whizzing past you like you would if the bullet actually hit you. In your ludicrous scenario, you would have seen Connally reacting to the bullet whizzing past him at around frame Z-255 roughly, and possibly as late as Z-275, even though I believe that he probably wouldn't have even reacted to such a thing at all. In frames Z-224 to Z-227 there is an obvious simultaneous reaction by both men, and I contend that if Connally was not actually hit yet, his reaction to a bullet whizzing past him wouldn't be evident in that group of frames.
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April 05, 2009, 10:15:17 AM
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"which no one really believes"?? Really? ANY person looking at it openly and unsuspecting, and using common sense...
If you want an adult like response from me please stop referring to common sense, logic etc I'm saying even YOU don't believe it. Also, I really don't think you're understanding my near-miss theory, I'm saying the missile that hit JFK in the throat, just missed JBC but was close enough that he felt it's shockwave. Why would a bullet whizzing past your ear make you react slower or not at all? I'm not getting it.
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April 05, 2009, 02:48:04 PM
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"which no one really believes"?? Really? ANY person looking at it openly and unsuspecting, and using common sense...
If you want an adult like response from me please stop referring to common sense, logic etc I'm saying even YOU don't believe it. Also, I really don't think you're understanding my near-miss theory, I'm saying the missile that hit JFK in the throat, just missed JBC but was close enough that he felt it's shockwave. Why would a bullet whizzing past your ear make you react slower or not at all? I'm not getting it. Alan, I 100% understand what you're saying, I just don't agree with it. So you think that you'd react in the exact same way if you were hit by a bullet as you would if it just whizzed past your ear and you felt the shock wave? Besides the obvious, feeling the impact of the bullet, I don't think you'd react in the same way. I think a second or two, at least, would go by before you reacted to a shock wave. I believe that you would most definitely react slower to a bullet whizzing past your ear than if it actually hit you. I'm amazed that you don't agree really.
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April 06, 2009, 07:36:17 AM
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"which no one really believes"?? Really? ANY person looking at it openly and unsuspecting, and using common sense...
If you want an adult like response from me please stop referring to common sense, logic etc I'm saying even YOU don't believe it. Also, I really don't think you're understanding my near-miss theory, I'm saying the missile that hit JFK in the throat, just missed JBC but was close enough that he felt it's shockwave. Why would a bullet whizzing past your ear make you react slower or not at all? I'm not getting it. Alan, I 100% understand what you're saying, I just don't agree with it. So you think that you'd react in the exact same way if you were hit by a bullet as you would if it just whizzed past your ear and you felt the shock wave? Besides the obvious, feeling the impact of the bullet, I don't think you'd react in the same way. I think a second or two, at least, would go by before you reacted to a shock wave. I believe that you would most definitely react slower to a bullet whizzing past your ear than if it actually hit you. I'm amazed that you don't agree really. Bill the only time I say JFK WAS hit from the front is when people like yourself state he WAS hit from behind. Usually I'm just honest & let people know that it's just an opinion. I honestly don't know if JBC was HIT at the same moment JFK reacts but I can easilly except the idea he was. What I'm suggesting is just an theory but you're wrong on one point. JBC does not react in the same way. To me it looks like he's been stung on the hand & it shocks him. JFK goes right for the source of pain with both hands whilst JBC jerks his left elbow (the opposite side to his wounds) up in the air & gives that same area just the briefest of glances. Same time yes, same response no. Sting like, from a bee. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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April 06, 2009, 07:40:50 AM
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hello Alan, i too think it's the same bullet, maybe even magic. people react differently to being shot. sometimes they don't even realize they've been hit. JC's reaction is that his wrist has been hit. IMO.
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April 07, 2009, 11:00:47 AM
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Such rapid reversal of impulse for JFK's head during the short time frame of the two headshots can only be caused by a bullet from behind first and a bullet from the front a split of a second later. The first headshot from behind was from DalTex or Records Building, because the trajectory from occiptial entry to right temple exit does no match to TSBD. In Zapruder you see, that in Z315 already you had a full flap out of the right head skull part. This could have only been caused by an exiting bullet. Accidently James Files' headshot from the right front entered just into the exit wound of the first headshot and impacted and defragmentated on the rear inner part of the skull, that's why so much brain was blown out and why so many particles are to be seen on the x-ray.
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April 07, 2009, 12:06:33 PM
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i see it as Lee's last shot, leaving fragments in John's head, fragments on the floorboard and cracking the windshield. that's just my take...
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April 08, 2009, 01:07:40 PM
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Such rapid reversal of impulse for JFK's head during the short time frame of the two headshots can only be caused by a bullet from behind first and a bullet from the front a split of a second later. The first headshot from behind was from DalTex or Records Building, because the trajectory from occiptial entry to right temple exit does no match to TSBD. In Zapruder you see, that in Z315 already you had a full flap out of the right head skull part. This could have only been caused by an exiting bullet. Accidently James Files' headshot from the right front entered just into the exit wound of the first headshot and impacted and defragmentated on the rear inner part of the skull, that's why so much brain was blown out and why so many particles are to be seen on the x-ray.
This could have only been caused by an exiting bullet? Chris, now you're a ballistics expert?
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