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which one is that ? a policemen's?
2) this is a side strap mounted rifle, is'nt the rifle shown in the backyard photo's
a bottom mounted strap? are these able to be universaly mounted?
just kinda curious what you guy's and gal's views are on this
No, there was no second rifle. Almost all the cops had shotguns not rifles.
Oswald's rifle was designed for side mounted straps, not bottom mounted. The HSCA studied all the photos and proved
by the unique pattern of wear marks that it was always the same rifle. At the time of the backyard photos Oswald did not have a strap for his rifle.
Klein's did not ship them with straps. So he used a rope or string. He later found a strap from a revolver holster which he used for the rifle.
Tony did not answer the question for you Jim. The rifle in the BY photos has BOTTOM sling swivel mounts, and the one in the archives has SIDE mounted ones. They are NOT the same rifle.
Nonsense. Again, the HSCA proved that it was the same rifle, by the unique pattern of wearing marks. You are depending on someone else's sloppy research.
Also, the question was not about what cops carry but what was the second weapon. Tony just claimed it was a shotgun with NO evidence cited!
What second weapon?
The odds are any other weapon seen in the TSBD was a policeman's shotgun since almost all the cops carried shotguns, not rifles.
The final nail is the evidence the WC presented shows us a 36” Carbine was actually ordered and NOT a 40” Carcano!
Stupid. Oswald ordered the 36" Carbine and Kleins shipped him the 40" Carcano.
One only has to have two good eyes Tony, the sling swivel mounts are easy to see on both rifles. Cite the research of the HSCA for us since you brought it up. Let’s take a look at it.
The rifle in question for me is the one FOUND ON THE ROOF and this was NO shotgun according to the original Mentesana film as seen by Jim Garrison.
The first rifle found IN the TSBD was a Mauser, the evidence shows this.
LOL! ALL LHO did it supporters claim this, but the problem for your version of events Tony is that Klein’s had NO 40” models to ship him by accident. Nor can you show they did ship a 40” Carcano to him with evidence that shows this. Ditto him picking it up at the Post Office. NO, all you have is speculation.
You're only 30 years behind in the research and regurgitating a lot of old myths.
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LoginOver the years, skepticism has arisen as to whether the rifle found in the depository by Boone is the same rifle that was delivered to the Warren Commission and is presently stored in the National Archives. The suspicion has been based to some extent on allegations that police officers who first discovered the rifle identified it as a 7.5 millimeter German Mauser. (77) The controversy was intensified by the allegation that various photographs of the rifle, taken at different times, portray inconsistencies with respect to the proportions of the various component parts. (78)
To resolve the controversy, the committee assembled a wide range of photographs of the rifle: a police photograph taken where it was found in the depository; a motion picture film taken by a television station showing the rifle when it was found by the police; a series of photographs of a police officer carrying the rifle from the depository; photographs taken as the rifle was carried through the halls of Dallas Police Department; and photographs taken later by the FBI and Dallas Police Department. (79)
The examination by committee photographic consultants determined that all photographs were of the same rifle. Both a study of proportions and a comparison of identifying marks indicated that only one rifle was involved. (80)
We have debunked the second rifle in the Mentasana film a long time ago. You should have gone to some of the conferences and you would know this stuff already.
The profile of the weapon matches the cop's Remington shotgun, as I pointed out to Robert Groden.
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LoginIn both his video, The Assassination Films, and in his book The Killing of a President, Robert Groden shows a segment from an amateur film by Charles Mentesana that pictures a policeman holding a gun. He says that the gun is a "second rifle" brought down from the Texas School Book Depository, and says that the gun is "not a Carcano, and has never been placed into evidence."
Sounds spooky, right? Two rifles in the Depository.
When Groden first showed his video at the 1995 COPA convention, Tony Marsh wrote him to correct this mistake:
Several of us in the audience were very troubled by your narration of some films. You are the leading photographic interpreter in the research community and many people will take your word as gospel. So, it is especially important that your video not perpetuate any myths. For example, in the Mentesana footage you state that the policeman is holding a second rifle, found in the TSBD. That is not a rifle; it is a shotgun. The barrel and the bore are too big in diameter for a rifle. Some shotguns have distinctive profiles and magazine caps by which we can identify them at a glance. The shotgun the policeman was holding was his Remington 870. I have enclosed some examples of that model for you to compare to the Mentesana footage. I have reduced a diagram of the Remington 870 to about the same size as an overlay transparency of the Mentesana frame from your book so that you can see for yourself that they have the same profile at the same size. Also, one of the cops in the tramp photos carried a Remington 870. There were at least three different makes and models of shotguns used by the DPD and the Remington 870 is one of the most popular police shotguns.
Interestingly, still photos and films of Dallas cops holding shotguns that are apparently identical to the one in the Mentesana film are plentiful. But Groden neither prints any of them in his book, nor includes any in his video. Needless to say, Groden has not corrected his mistake.
The shipment of rifles Kleins got in to satisfy demand was 40" rifles, not Carbines. They changed their ad a couple of months later, after Oswald had already ordered the Carbine in the earlier ad.
But even Kleins screwed up and kept calling the 40" weapon in their ad a Carbine. The carbine is always 36 inches. The rifle is 40 inches. They also have different parts so the size is NOT the only difference.
