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If Betzner's camera can capture the Black Dog Man and is clearly visible, Then how come the Secret Service didn't do anything about a suspicious object up ahead, the secret service was in front of the camera so whatever the camera saw the secret service should of seen also...
That is why the secret service is there...that is their job to be on the look out for suspicious people / objects that look out of the ordinary.....



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If Betzner's camera can capture the Black Dog Man and is clearly visible, Then how come the Secret Service didn't do anything about a suspicious object up ahead, the secret service was in front of the camera so whatever the camera saw the secret service should of seen also...
That is why the secret service is there...that is their job to be on the look out for suspicious people / objects that look out of the ordinary.....



Paul,

what is so suspicious about BDM ? I think we can all agree on that BDM is a person. Since we don't see what this person is doing other than standing there why should the SS do anything about this person ?

I think - correct me if i'm wrong - that the HSCA examined the BDM figure and concluded that this person has something long in his hand. I am unable to see that. Maybe someone can outline this long object for us ?!

I believe this is long-coat-man.
To me it loks as if BDM wears a hat and a shiny leather coat with a fold along the backside of his coat (rain-jackets often have a fold on the backside for "air circulation/ventilation" purpose)



This might be BDM
(GIF of Coat-Man in the railroad yard):



.. this might be him too:



best, Gerda



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If Betzner's camera can capture the Black Dog Man and is clearly visible, Then how come the Secret Service didn't do anything about a suspicious object up ahead, the secret service was in front of the camera so whatever the camera saw the secret service should of seen also...
That is why the secret service is there...that is their job to be on the look out for suspicious people / objects that look out of the ordinary.....



Paul,

what is so suspicious about BDM ? I think we can all agree on that BDM is a person. Since we don't see what this person is doing other than standing there why should the SS do anything about this person ?

I think - correct me if i'm wrong - that the HSCA examined the BDM figure and concluded that this person has something long in his hand. I am unable to see that. Maybe someone can outline this long object for us ?!

I believe this is long-coat-man.
To me it loks as if BDM wears a hat and a shiny leather coat with a fold along the backside of his coat (rain-jackets often have a fold on the backside for "air circulation/ventilation" purpose)



This might be BDM





best, Gerda



Gerry, the problem with BDM is that he was either crouching or kneeling behind the retaining wall as the SS-100-X arrived.
And out of the sudden he disappeared.

There is no conclusive photographic evidence what BDM was doing after the headshot.
He is just missing. Except you are able to detect a shape in the Bond photographs taken within moments after Z#313.

You might miss Rosemary Willis testimony taken before the HSCA:



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If Betzner's camera can capture the Black Dog Man and is clearly visible, Then how come the Secret Service didn't do anything about a suspicious object up ahead, the secret service was in front of the camera so whatever the camera saw the secret service should of seen also...
That is why the secret service is there...that is their job to be on the look out for suspicious people / objects that look out of the ordinary.....



Paul,

what is so suspicious about BDM ? I think we can all agree on that BDM is a person. Since we don't see what this person is doing other than standing there why should the SS do anything about this person ?

I think - correct me if i'm wrong - that the HSCA examined the BDM figure and concluded that this person has something long in his hand. I am unable to see that. Maybe someone can outline this long object for us ?!

I believe this is long-coat-man.
To me it loks as if BDM wears a hat and a shiny leather coat with a fold along the backside of his coat (rain-jackets often have a fold on the backside for "air circulation/ventilation" purpose)



This might be BDM





best, Gerda



Gerry, the problem with BDM is that he was either crouching or kneeling behind the retaining wall as the SS-100-X arrived.
And out of the sudden he disappeared.

There is no conclusive photographic evidence what BDM was doing after the headshot.
He is just missing. Except you are able to detect a shape in the Bond photographs taken within moments after Z#313.

You might miss Rosemary Willis testimony taken before the HSCA:



best to you

Martin

Martin,

i am not too familiar with the BDM studies regarding his exact height or posture - i suppose you are.
If the studies show as you say and BDM was not standing straight but stooped then he was maybe just resting his /arms/upper body on the wall.
Or if he was indeed holding a long object then he was probably holding a rifle or an umbrella or a long yummy candy-cane... you can speculate and discuss this matter endlessly. Fact is that we don't know.

One logic explanation for BDM's instant dissappearance is that s/he hit the deck when the shots rang out.
Someone very close to the source of a shot would most probably react reflexively. Some people near the knoll also hit the deck. I don't know if any bystanders in close vicinity to the TSBD did that too although that was the area from where the shots were fired - if you believe the WCR.

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Here is  what I think the HSCA was talking about when they said an object BDM was holding or carrying........He's holding it as if he was shooting pool at an angle UP



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If Betzner's camera can capture the Black Dog Man and is clearly visible, Then how come the Secret Service didn't do anything about a suspicious object up ahead, the secret service was in front of the camera so whatever the camera saw the secret service should of seen also...
That is why the secret service is there...that is their job to be on the look out for suspicious people / objects that look out of the ordinary.....



You are being silly. There is nothing suspicious about Black Dog Man, any more than any other spectator.
What about The Umbrella Man? Why didn't the Secret Service agents shoot him immediately when they saw him, the only man in Dallas with an open umbrella on a sunny day?
What about the men on the overpass? The rule that day was no spectators on overpasses. So that was a serious security violation.
And what about that little girl running towards the limo? She could have been carrying a hand grenade. Etc.


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If Betzner's camera can capture the Black Dog Man and is clearly visible, Then how come the Secret Service didn't do anything about a suspicious object up ahead, the secret service was in front of the camera so whatever the camera saw the secret service should of seen also...
That is why the secret service is there...that is their job to be on the look out for suspicious people / objects that look out of the ordinary.....



You are being silly. There is nothing suspicious about Black Dog Man, any more than any other spectator.
What about The Umbrella Man? Why didn't the Secret Service agents shoot him immediately when they saw him, the only man in Dallas with an open umbrella on a sunny day?
What about the men on the overpass? The rule that day was no spectators on overpasses. So that was a serious security violation.
And what about that little girl running towards the limo? She could have been carrying a hand grenade. Etc.


Lets not forget the running man, could of carried a semi-uzi.......or how about  zapruder himself the camera could of been a dart killing mechinism.....


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Gerry

Here is  what I think the HSCA was talking about when they said an object BDM was holding or carrying........He's holding it as if he was shooting pool at an angle UP



Paul, whatever it is.

this is what i see:



and look at the GIF of Coat-man in the railroad yard:



and again behind the wall, what a coincident that this man behind the wall bears so much resemblence to BDM as i see him, and that he is exactly in the same spot as BDM minutes after the shots.



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Martin,

i am not too familiar with the BDM studies regarding his exact height or posture - i suppose you are.
If the studies show as you say and BDM was not standing straight but stooped then he was maybe just resting his /arms/upper body on the wall.
Or if he was indeed holding a long object then he was probably holding a rifle or an umbrella or a long yummy candy-cane... you can speculate and discuss this matter endlessly. Fact is that we don't know.

One logic explanation for BDM's instant dissappearance is that s/he hit the deck when the shots rang out.
Someone very close to the source of a shot would most probably react reflexively. Some people near the knoll also hit the deck. I don't know if any bystanders in close vicinity to the TSBD did that too although that was the area from where the shots were fired - if you believe the WCR.

liebe Grüsse, Gerda

Hi Gerry

Sure, i've spend some serious time on BDM and even began to create a 3D scene with the intention to navigate with your mouse
virtually around this retaining wall. As always my work was interrupted by my clients.

But i will finish it, hopefully.
I have so much on the task list and too little time to finish:

The scene inside the second floor. You know the encounter of Baker and Truly with Oswald.



Here a closeup of one box:  LOL

   

The Backyard photographs.



The Retaing wall scene (which can cover many aspects like Badgeman, Gordon Arnold and also BDM)



A precise timeline of the footages and photographs shortly before and after the final shot....

all not finished. Sigh

I must confess that i have a tendency to divertion.
I mostly read 3 books on the JFK assassination simultaneously for instance....
If i would work out one after the other it would be better. But who knows for what this is good for.
I'am not 80 and therefore i see good chances to get it all done.

Back to your thoughts....

sure he could hit the ground like many others too in this area.
But you have to keep in mind that, in particular shortly after the fatal shot was fired many photographs and film footages were taken
by so many bystanders and professional photographers, that almost every second was captured on film within a minute after Z#313.

In no one BDM re appeared. Wilma Bond for example took a series of photographs within seconds after the limousine disappeared under the Triple underpass
covering exactly this area from vantage location. Willis took many photos after the HS covering this area....in no one is BDM. He is gone.
Where is he been gone so quickly?

I have an idea but it's a dangerous task to speculate on forums. Some are just waiting to discredit the enemy.

See Lee Farley and DVP or Mark Valenti and Anthony Marsh.

Sad but true.

I purchased today an original Life Magazine from November 24, 1967 which is covering a lot of well known photographs that day.
The seller told it's in good condition.
What i will do is to scan this photos with maximum resolution with the intention to contribute it to this great Photo Gallery (which is unique in it's form worldwide as i know) of this forum.
This will be a little payback to Robin Unger and Duncan MacRae.

This magazine covered also photos from Wilma Bond. I hope it will reveal something to support my theory.

As always my very best to you Gerry

Martin


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