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 July 01, 2010, 01:44:49 PM
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A professional gunmen. Or multiple assassins. There wouldn't have been a flurry of shots.
One shot, gone. Shoot and manuever.
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July 01, 2010, 01:53:05 PM
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I don't think your taking into account the fragmentation of the bullets used. 1 bullet
could turn into 6 fragments.
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July 01, 2010, 03:23:39 PM
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You guys? I don't believe LHO acted alone. But when people start involving professional
shooters, then they have to take into account how a professional shooter would set up
a target. You can't use a 'several professional shooter' platform and then discount how a professional
shooter would go about the process. 1 bullet, 1 hit, head shot most likely.
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July 01, 2010, 03:26:08 PM
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LONE NUTS HAVE EVERYTHING MOVING FORWARD CAUSE THE BELIEF OF A SHOT FROM BEHIND.....THE HEAD GOES FORWARD, BULLET FRAGMENTS GOING FORWARD....BUT YOU GUYS DON'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE GOES BACK....JFK UPPER TORSO...JACKIE KENNEDY RETRIVING BRAIN MATTER THAT WAS " BEHIND JFK "
Paul, Of course matter would go back, the car was moving after all, this does not make a case for a front shot however. Dave, Right on the money, there is nothing in this shooting that even remotely indicates professional shooting.
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Marsh can not even comprehend a simple time stamp. How will he ever comprehend the evidence?
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July 01, 2010, 07:09:44 PM
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Paul,
The downward angle was not a steep angle first of all. Bullets will to some degree deflect a bit when they hit something hard like bone, maybe not more than just a few degrees, but deflect none the less. In this case you have not 1 but 2 impacts with bone to contend with, as there is also the exit impact at work. And by fragments, not an intact bullet, the smaller mass going slower (after the entrance impact) more susceptible to deflection.
This is why the windshield damage, the chrome trim damage, and the Tague wound could all easily be explained by smaller bits of metal at slower velocities, the trajectory to each only a few degrees off the initial trajectory from the SN to the rear entry wound.
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"Part of the reason why we avoided talking about this thing, because every time you say something, somebody misinterprets what you say."
-James. J. Humes, excerpt of ARRB statement, 2-13-96
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July 01, 2010, 08:34:59 PM
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Its pretty basic stuff Paul. There is no crack in the windshield after the famous Altgens photo, then there is after the head shot. Lead residue on the inside of the glass, along with damage to the chrome trim. The bullet from the head shot disintegrated, and fragments caused the damage. I'm not sure why some CTs challenge this idea, because there is no basis for challenge (unless one believes that all the evidence and photos are faked/forged), and not a shred of evidence anywhere to back up a theory that the windshield damage happened in some other way.
Those are my thoughts.
There are eyewitnesses to the hole in the windshield! Do the names Richard Dudman (reporter), H.R. Freeman (former DPD officer), Stavis Ellis (DPD officer) and Dr. Evalea Glanges (intern at Southwestern) mean anything to you? IF not, then research them and their comments. They were up close and personal with the limo and they all saw a hole in the windshield.
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July 01, 2010, 08:40:59 PM
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I don't think your taking into account the fragmentation of the bullets used. 1 bullet
could turn into 6 fragments.
Yet FMJ bullets are DESIGNED NOT to fragment! Sure, once in awhile they could, but you can't show it was normal for a FMJ bullet to fragment so much. Furthermore, explain for us how one bullet hitting dense bone did NOT shatter in the least, but one supposedly hitting nothing by skull shattered so much. There was more damage too as Sherrif Decker saw a bullet hit the road near his lead car. There was also damage to the sideview mirror on the limo. The Stemmons freeway sign also had damage. One bullet hit near the manhole cover on the grass. Another took piece of curb out, and the WC then claimed it caused the bullet to ricochet and hit Tague. The windshield molding had a huge dent in it. Then of course we come to the wounds of JFK and JBC. There were more wounds than the WC admitted to.
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July 01, 2010, 08:53:42 PM
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I can only tell you that there were fragments. To do otherwise would be guessing.
Holy Crap Rob, how many people do you have shooting in Dealey? Was everyone
armed?
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July 01, 2010, 09:48:10 PM
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I don't think your taking into account the fragmentation of the bullets used. 1 bullet
could turn into 6 fragments.
Yet FMJ bullets are DESIGNED NOT to fragment! Sure, once in awhile they could, but you can't show it was normal for a FMJ bullet to fragment so much. Furthermore, explain for us how one bullet hitting dense bone did NOT shatter in the least, but one supposedly hitting nothing by skull shattered so much. There was more damage too as Sherrif Decker saw a bullet hit the road near his lead car. There was also damage to the sideview mirror on the limo. The Stemmons freeway sign also had damage. One bullet hit near the manhole cover on the grass. Another took piece of curb out, and the WC then claimed it caused the bullet to ricochet and hit Tague. The windshield molding had a huge dent in it. Then of course we come to the wounds of JFK and JBC. There were more wounds than the WC admitted to. Rob, Please show us the evidence of the following: Side view mirror damage A shot striking near the manhole The street strike reported by Decker The Stemmons sign And what wounds did JBC and JFK have that the WC did not report? Another correction is full metal jacket bullets are designed not to expand, not fragment. Full Metal jacket often fragment and create fragmenting wounds. However, one has to wonder if the wounds to JFK were inflicted by fragments. Consider, "Dr. Charles Petty of the HSCA forensic pathology panel responded to Dr. Wecht's frangible-bullet theory in his testimony before the committee. [Quoting Petty:] "I happen to be the coauthor of the only paper that has ever been written about the wounding capabilities of frangible bullets. .... Such bullets and the breakup products of [these] bullets are easy to detect in X-rays. There are no such fragments in the X-ray of the late president's head. There was no frangible bullet fired. I might also add that frangible bullets are produced in .22 caliber loads and they are not produced [for] larger weapons."
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