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 June 27, 2010, 12:41:02 PM
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David Von Pein has not read JFK. Analysis of a Shooting: The Ultimate Ballistics Truth Exposed by Orlando Martin.
Yet, on the basis of a Black Op interview with Martin, David Von Pein presumes to suggest that this book is worthless.
I have read 1/2 of this book & have scanned all of it.
While it has errors of fact & interpretation, I have, ALSO, found a wealth of data in this book as well as accurate, close reasoning in it, some of which is very interesting.
IMO, to imply that this book is worthless is distortion equivalent to prevarication, or, actually, outright lying.
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June 27, 2010, 01:14:02 PM
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For almost one hour on radio on 6/24/10, Orlando Martin laid out the major points of his conspiracy theory re: the death of JFK, and Martin didn't get one thing right, and he utters outright lies on multiple occasions. And this is the type of person that Miles Scull supports. Martin's #1 reason for believing in a conspiracy is something he is just flat-out wrong about (and lied about) -- he thinks all of Connally's pre-operative X-rays have been "destroyed" in order to hide the true number of fragments in Connally's body. That's just a lie. Plain and simple. What other word can there be for such an ridiculous allegation? In other words, Miles doesn't care that Martin lied several times while laying out HIS OWN BOOK'S THEORIES. As long as Martin spews conspiracy talk, then Scull is happy and will support Mr. Martin. For the truth about Martin, go here: As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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June 27, 2010, 02:26:00 PM
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For almost one hour on radio on 6/24/10, Orlando Martin laid out the major points of his conspiracy theory re: the death of JFK, and Martin didn't get one thing right, and he utters outright lies on multiple occasions. And this is the type of person that Miles Scull supports. Martin's #1 reason for believing in a conspiracy is something he is just flat-out wrong about (and lied about) -- he thinks all of Connally's pre-operative X-rays have been "destroyed" in order to hide the true number of fragments in Connally's body. That's just a lie. Plain and simple. What other word can there be for such an ridiculous allegation? In other words, Miles doesn't care that Martin lied several times while laying out HIS OWN BOOK'S THEORIES. As long as Martin spews conspiracy talk, then Scull is happy and will support Mr. Martin. For the truth about Martin, go here: As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginFor almost one hour on radio on 6/24/10, Orlando Martin laid out the major points of his conspiracy theory re: the death of JFK, and Martin didn't get one thing right, and he utters outright lies on multiple occasions. So, you admit that you have NOT read Martin's book. (Just as you have admitted that you have NOT read Armstrong's Harvey & Lee. What else have you not read?) Not having read Martin's book you cannot know the exact reasons Martin has for asserting his point. In other words, you are throwing mud without knowing what you are talking about. For example, your hatchet job article contains these choice phrases:
Here are a few quotes our well known LN'er and constant CT'er Insulter in person, David Von Pein:
Are you ready for more crappy research from a conspiracy theorist named Orlando?
Most conspiracy kooks are happy to distort the true positioning of the limo's victims
Because it would seem as if no distortion of the known facts is too blatant or outrageous for Mr. Martin
More Martin Garbage:
This is pure 
Martin is just pulling crap out of thin air that never happened.
And speaking of pulling imaginative crap out of thin air, I saved one of the best hunks of Martin's nonsense for last here And this is the type of person that Miles Scull supports. No, that's a lie!  I have already stated that Martin makes errors. I do not support Martin for that reason. However, if I find value in his book, I shall read that with interest. Martin's #1 reason for believing in a conspiracy is something he is just flat-out wrong about (and lied about) -- he thinks all of Connally's pre-operative X-rays have been "destroyed" in order to hide the true number of fragments in Connally's body. That's just a lie. Plain and simple. What other word can there be for such an ridiculous allegation? But, in your stupid article you said:
"and number 681 is the chest X-ray which was taken on November 22, 1963 (which is an X-ray that Dr. Robert Shaw told the Warren Commission was actually taken DURING the surgery that was conducted on Connally's chest wounds).
But the lack of a definitive and provable PRE-OPERATIVE X-ray of Connally's chest cannot be used by Martin (or anybody else) to discredit the Single-Bullet Theory or the validity of Stretcher Bullet CE399. And that's because of the testimony provided by Dr. Shaw."Not having read Martin's book, you cannot say that Martin is lying. You don't know what Martin has said in his book. Dr. Shaw's testimony is grossly insufficient to eliminate the issue of the possibility of missing pre-op chest X-rays, which might show fragments overlooked by Dr. Shaw. So, as it turns out you are mistaken, and guilty of faulty reasoning. (no surprise) Yet, despite this, you choose to slander an author whose book you have not read. In other words, Miles doesn't care that Martin lied several times while laying out HIS OWN BOOK'S THEORIES. That's a lie. As long as Martin spews conspiracy talk, then Scull is happy and will support Mr. Martin. That's a lie, also. Are you proving yourself to be a serial liar? Sure looks like it, doesn't it?
Is Martin Hinrichs right? That you must be unbalanced?
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June 27, 2010, 04:28:41 PM
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Over the last few months it has become clear what David Von Pein is. I will not read anything he posts or discuss anything with him. Anytime that I have I fell dirty afterward almost violated. Now I'm spending more time on the Ed Forum at least they had the good sense to ban this clown. The best thing the owners of this site could do is give us a ignore button so we would not even know when he posts his trash.
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June 27, 2010, 04:33:57 PM
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Dr. Shaw's testimony is grossly insufficient to eliminate the issue of the possibility of missing pre-op chest X-rays, which might show fragments overlooked by Dr. Shaw. Nonsense. Shaw's testimony is crystal clear: He took no bullet fragments out of Connally's chest. None. DR. ROBERT SHAW -- "We saw no evidence of any metallic material in the X-ray that we had of the chest, and we found none during the operation."So, regardless of exactly WHEN the 11/22/63 chest X-ray was taken (pre-op or not), that X-ray is still going to show any metal fragments inside JBC's chest, if any are there, since we know that Shaw removed NO metal at all from his chest. And the same goes for the chest X-ray that was taken a week later--on November 29th [CE682]. So there are two X-rays of the chest, each showing no metal fragments at all. CE681: As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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June 27, 2010, 04:40:20 PM
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The best thing the owners of this site could do is give us [an] ignore button so we would not even know when he posts his trash. Good idea, Bill. It's always better if CTers totally ignore and/or distort the best evidence in the case. After all, it's what conspiracy theorists have been doing for 40+ years. So why mess with a perfect record?
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June 27, 2010, 04:49:02 PM
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One of my favorite fellow "LNers" is a man named "Bud", who regularly posts at the "alt" newsgroups. Almost all of Bud's posts make me smile, and he has a unique way of stating the facts (with a lot of common sense attached): "It's the [conspiracy] kooks who chase their tails, we've been staying pat with the winning hand for decades. .... How would the world be any different if they [Lane-Garrison-Weisberg-Salandria-Lifton-Wecht-Thompson] never took up this snipe hunt? Did they accomplish anything, expose any conspiring? Soon this whole generation of conspiracy will be gone, and the WCR will still be the only explanation for what occurred on the table. It will outlast all its critics, and history will laugh at the -offs who spent so much time, money and effort trying to deny the obvious." -- Bud; June 26, 2010 As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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June 27, 2010, 04:49:11 PM
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The best thing the owners of this site could do is give us [an] ignore button so we would not even know when he posts his trash. Good idea, Bill. It's always better if CTers totally ignore and/or distort the best evidence in the case. After all, it's what conspiracy theorists have been doing for 40+ years. So why mess with a perfect record? David, I have to agree with your assessment. How can someone write a book that alleges to discuss all the weapons involved etc etc, when there is absolutely nothing in the evidence to support it? This makes no sense to me. True to CT form, he operates off the basic delusion that something was altered or destroyed, and then goes on to spew what he thinks it would have shown, its crap.
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Marsh can not even comprehend a simple time stamp. How will he ever comprehend the evidence?
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June 27, 2010, 05:11:21 PM
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One of my favorite fellow "LNers" is a man named "Bud", who regularly posts at the "alt" newsgroups. Almost all of Bud's posts make me smile, and he has a unique way of stating the facts (with a lot of common sense attached): "It's the [conspiracy] kooks who chase their tails, we've been staying pat with the winning hand for decades. .... How would the world be any different if they [Lane-Garrison-Weisberg-Salandria-Lifton-Wecht-Thompson] never took up this snipe hunt? Did they accomplish anything, expose any conspiring? Soon this whole generation of conspiracy will be gone, and the WCR will still be the only explanation for what occurred on the table. It will outlast all its critics, and history will laugh at the -offs who spent so much time, money and effort trying to deny the obvious." -- Bud; June 26, 2010 As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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Register or Login- speaking on Face the Nation on 27 Jun 1976. Schweiker was with Gary Hart the co-chairman of the JFK subcommittee. John Sherman Cooper, Senator and former Warren Commissioner:"On what basis is it claimed that two shots caused all the wounds?.....It seemed to me that Governor Connally's statement negates such a conclusion. I could not agree with this statement." - The Zapruder Film, by David Wrone, p. 247. Cooper was commenting on a draft of the Warren Report. Wrone is citing the papers of J. Lee Rankin, wherein Cooper's written comments appeared. Richard Russell, Senator and former Warren Commissioner:"We have not been told the truth about Oswald."- Whitewash IV, by Harold Weisberg, p. 21. William Walton, friend of the Kennedys, speaking on behalf of RFK and Jaqcueline Kennedy:"Perhaps there was only one assassin, but he did not act alone.....Dallas was the ideal location for such a crime." - Brothers, by David Talbot, p. 32. Walton delivered his message in Moscow to Georgi Bolshakov, who had been a backchannel to the Soviet leadership and was asked to repeat it to Khrushchev. This incident occurred a week after the assassination; the story is also recounted in One Hell of a Gamble. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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June 27, 2010, 05:28:37 PM
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One of my favorite fellow "LNers" is a man named "Bud", who regularly posts at the "alt" newsgroups. Almost all of Bud's posts make me smile, and he has a unique way of stating the facts (with a lot of common sense attached): "It's the [conspiracy] kooks who chase their tails, we've been staying pat with the winning hand for decades. .... How would the world be any different if they [Lane-Garrison-Weisberg-Salandria-Lifton-Wecht-Thompson] never took up this snipe hunt? Did they accomplish anything, expose any conspiring? Soon this whole generation of conspiracy will be gone, and the WCR will still be the only explanation for what occurred on the table. It will outlast all its critics, and history will laugh at the -offs who spent so much time, money and effort trying to deny the obvious." -- Bud; June 26, 2010 As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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Register or LoginCurrent Section: I. Findings of the Select Committee on Assassinations in the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy... "...C.The Committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy...."As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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June 27, 2010, 11:14:13 PM
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The best thing the owners of this site could do is give us [an] ignore button so we would not even know when he posts his trash. Good idea, Bill. It's always better if CTers totally ignore and/or distort the best evidence in the case. After all, it's what conspiracy theorists have been doing for 40+ years. So why mess with a perfect record? David, I have to agree with your assessment. How can someone write a book that alleges to discuss all the weapons involved etc etc, when there is absolutely nothing in the evidence to support it? This makes no sense to me. True to CT form, he operates off the basic delusion that something was altered or destroyed, and then goes on to spew what he thinks it would have shown, its crap. Private? Have you read the book? No?
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June 27, 2010, 11:51:15 PM
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The best thing the owners of this site could do is give us [an] ignore button so we would not even know when he posts his trash. Good idea, Bill. It's always better if CTers totally ignore and/or distort the best evidence in the case. After all, it's what conspiracy theorists have been doing for 40+ years. So why mess with a perfect record? David, I have to agree with your assessment. How can someone write a book that alleges to discuss all the weapons involved etc etc, when there is absolutely nothing in the evidence to support it? This makes no sense to me. True to CT form, he operates off the basic delusion that something was altered or destroyed, and then goes on to spew what he thinks it would have shown, its crap. Private? Have you read the book? No? It does not take much ti figure out that the guy is offering nothing more than a massive speculation. I prefer to stick to the evidence.
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