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I've been wondering about Oswald carrying his pistol on the afternoon of the 22nd after he left the TSBD...Why did he allegedly go straight back to his room to pick up his pistol? The assassination had only just taken place - did he think the police would be looking to pick him up so soon - maybe he knew the M-C would be traced back to him that quickly? Or did he think someone else would be coming after him?


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Rob, what evidence is there that you claim proves that Oswald was innocent of the murder of Tippit?


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Rob, what evidence is there that you claim proves that Oswald was innocent of the murder of Tippit?

Only someone as mentally unprepared as Bill Brown can believe that Oswald was on the Marsalis bus AND killed Tippit.  The evidence is lost on him because he's either as thick as two short planks or has been born with a brain that is inside out.


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A distinct possibility considering he never spoke to Baker (or Truly). It's "fair" speculation on known testimony of witnesses.


Ok, it's just a speculation and can be classified in the category "Hearsay".

To formulate opinions as opinion is not a problem.
To formulate facts as facts and show the proof is not a problem.

To formulate "opinions" as "facts" is a problem.

You have that in common with Bob Harris  (alleged early shot in Towner) and Jack White (Badgeman) whom formulate opinions as facts.

Oswald never spoke a word to Officer Baker or Mister Truly in the second floor lunchroom.
People often make an issue of the fact that Oswald did not seem "out of breath" according to Baker's WC testimony.
They use this to infer that Oswald was not the 6th floor shooter.

There are several possibilities as to why Oswald did not seem flustered or out of breath.
(1.) Oswald was not out of breath and was breathing normally. The trip down from the 6th floor did not exhaust him as much as one might expect.
(2.) Oswald was out of breath and was "holding" it to conceal that fact.

It's a simple either/or explanation. Nobody say's it's provable. It's a possible reason why Oswald was not apparently out of breadth.
Interpretation of known incidents is reasonable speculation. Much, much less than the wild conjecture by Oswald defenders.

Such as:
Cunning plotters who LHO knows "made him a patsy" but he refuses to name them.
Alternately brilliant and stupid plotters who try to frame Oswald with the "wrong" rifle (Mauser) and then eventually sneak in the "right" Carcano.
Evil cops who come on board the assassination plot (before during or after the event) with no questions asked.

That is speculation based on "additions" contrived to make the "theorized" plot work.
Can you see the difference? Probably not.

One thing that has always interested me is Oswald learning that he was a patsy. Actually when and how did this work. The CT just throw that out there with nil, null, nothing, nought , zero evicence to back it up. They do this because it fits theor theory. Why they can't see this is what they are doing is troubling.
 I have asked before to tell me how exactly and when exactly Oswald caught on that he was being used as a Patsy. How does this work. I never got a decent answer.

Brian

I have to agree with Colin on this one Read more post less.You keep asking  questions when you know very little .Read a bit ,Digest then come up with something new if you possibly could.Do your own research you know where McAdams site is.Are you too lazy or do you think you might find it difficult to comprehend what really happened to the evidence you keep yawning us with. Try the AARB  http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/docset/getList.do?docSetId=1060. The problem is you have only been told what you know and its out of date  like 47 years out of date!.

Ian


I have read enough to know that Oswald killed JFK by himself. I have known that for 40 years.

All this so called research has done alot of good for the CT. They all disagree about who did it, and the reasons for it, but all claim if you just read somemore. Its not about how much you read, its about what you read, and having some common sense. If just reading all the garbage you guys read informs you, then all the CT would agree on how this happened, They don't.

And after all the so called reading the CT do many if not most deny that Oswald shot Tippit ( despite how many witnsses ) then that tells you all you need to know about the type of reading you do.

To a CT reading and research means trying desperatly to find anything that can justify a conspiracy. Its not real research.
You can read yourself into believeing any stupid theory, how many people claim their reading proves the Earth is 6000 years old.
 So Ian save the reading argument. Its about common sense, and knowing when something tells the whole story. You guys after your so called research tell half truth after half truth. All you reading is a waste of time. You need to understand what a vague statement is, or how to put things into context.
You have to have common sense ( a conspiracy this big is laughable ) and know what to read, and understand what is the full truth vs half trusts.

Ian still waiting for the list of lies or half truths on Mcadms site.  6 months now.


Brian

If I have understood correctly If I read all of the National enquirer I will learn more than if I read 20% of  an encyclopedia?.

As I have said before pointing out the errors would be like the last post you made pointless because you would not understand them and as before
Go there and look up Ruby's polygraph test .Then read the Official results .and the evidence about the test. like I said if you cannot distinguish between what YOU think is the truth and the actual evidence .

"I have read enough to know that Oswald killed JFK by himself. I have known that for 40 years." .Your words.

So approx.2003 you made a discovery what was it please tell ?.

Ian

Ian spill it all. Tell us what was wrong with Ruby's tests, and how this has anything to do with proof of a conspiracy, or a mistake on Mcadms site.


40 years means since about 1970.  I have never ever seen a decent conspiracy argument. Its all desperation. Again that fact that someone could think that there could be this big of a conspiracy is laughable. With a free press and the power of the political parties, ( JFK's part never found out about it huh ) its a joke. Just that little bit of common sense is worth more then reading all Marrs, Fetzner, and Gordon books ten times in a row.

Brian

If you made a discovery tell us what it was otherwise its just your ill informed opinion.By the way you have 26 volumes of the National enquirer to read through .anything Oswald did after 12.30 is speculation until his arrest.without using the W.C. book of lies can you prove what he did  ..No.
Using the W.C. book of lies to PROVE anything he did can you do that .....No.    But because somebody told you thats what he did you believe it .Good for you .Now try and convince me of his guilt.Anybody can prove what they got wrong so how do YOU propose to prove they got some things right.
If I told you the truth and then lied to you would you believe me?.Fritz said we cannot put him on the 6th floor with the rifle at 12.30 in his book .
or do you think HE was lying?.You are a sheep that follows the official line because you do not have an original thought in your head and could not spot the truth if it jumped up and stole your lunch. I suggest we start with the Bag that supposedly contained the rifle.Simple stuff tell me all about the bag Brian lets see how much you really know.and please do take this the wrong way "Don't go away angry just go away".


Ian


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Rob, what evidence is there that you claim proves that Oswald was innocent of the murder of Tippit?

Only someone as mentally unprepared as Bill Brown can believe that Oswald was on the Marsalis bus AND killed Tippit.  The evidence is lost on him because he's either as thick as two short planks or has been born with a brain that is inside out.
I agree that Oswald probably wasn't on that bus, but what about that particularly story means he couldn't have killed Tippit? The timing?


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Red Herring.  The bus transfer

This relatively small piece of evidence was taken from Oswald (but they did not find the Bullets for the pistol he was not carrying until they knew which ones to use).The transfer was good till 1:15 and what time was Tippet Shot?.The transfer is only good for 15 minutes.

The reason for the transfer is to Connect Oswald to the bus.


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Your guys' conspirators must have been total morons.


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Your guys' conspirators must have been total morons.

Who cares what you "think" or "believe", Bill?  What does the evidence say?

I can only assume you must have taken part in quite a few conspiracies in your time to know the best way to conduct one.


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Bill

Hoover was no  cop far from it .He's still got us running round in circles .The DPD can be blamed for all thier mistakes not the FBI.The cover up was started by Hoover and all he had to do was make sure the Justice dept.(Therefore normal procedure) were sidelined.(Enter the conspiritors) and wait for the hearings then simply feed the evidence to blame Oswald. Oswald was long gone by then and unable to tell anything.

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Your guys' conspirators must have been total morons.

Hardly as they have folks still confused 47 years later on!  I agree with Vincent Salandria -- it was their arrogance that made the case so obviously a conspiracy.

They want us to know it is was one, but they want us to have no ability to prove it for sure in terms of who was involved.

YOU don't go to this kind of effort and then keep the truth hidden in total.  JFK's death was a warning to future leaders who thought they could do what they wanted.



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