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 May 06, 2010, 03:44:04 PM
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I'd like to clear this one up because it's important. There have been many characterizations of Oswald's demeanor at the midnight press conference, particularly his look of "surprise" upon hearing that he was charged with the murder of JFK. I disagree with this depiction of events. To me, it's very clear that he has almost NO reaction to this news. If you pay close attention to the sequence of events in the video, it goes like this: REPORTER: Did you kill the President? OSWALD: No, I have not been charged with that. In fact, nobody has said that to me yet. The first thing I heard about it was when the newspaper reporters in the hall axed me that question. THEN... A reporter kneeling direction in front of Oswald says: REPORTER: You HAVE been charged. Oswald looks directly at the man who said it. He makes no reaction, other than a slight lean forward and in a very polite tone of voice, he says: OSWALD: Sir? As if to say...I'm sorry, I didn't hear what you said. The reporter then tried to repeat his statement - REPORTER: You have... And THEN....some loudmouth reporter SHOUTS from Oswald's left - LOUDMOUTH: NOBODY SAID WHAT?That caused Oswald to look up, with a definite irritation on his face. It's obvious that he was hoping to present himself in a coherent, calm manner but the obnoxious shouting prompted Fritz to end the press conference. Oswald is led away, very clearly still interested in speaking to the reporters, witness his leaning over to tell the reporter that "A policeman hit me." His look is not one of surprise at being charged with JFK's murder, and that's proven even further by his demeanor as he's led away. He's not shocked or stunned. He's not soiling his shorts. He wants to stay and talk to the reporters some more. The characterization of him being shocked or surprised makes no sense. <![CDATA[As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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May 06, 2010, 04:02:35 PM
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I'd like to clear this one up because it's important. There have been many characterizations of Oswald's demeanor at the midnight press conference, particularly his look of "surprise" upon hearing that he was charged with the murder of JFK. I disagree with this depiction of events. To me, it's very clear that he has almost NO reaction to this news. If you pay close attention to the sequence of events in the video, it goes like this: REPORTER: Did you kill the President? OSWALD: No, I have not been charged with that. In fact, nobody has said that to me yet. The first thing I heard about it was when the newspaper reporters in the hall axed me that question. THEN... A reporter kneeling direction in front of Oswald says: REPORTER: You HAVE been charged. Oswald looks directly at the man who said it. He makes no reaction, other than a slight lean forward and in a very polite tone of voice, he says: OSWALD: Sir? As if to say...I'm sorry, I didn't hear what you said. The reporter then tried to repeat his statement - REPORTER: You have... And THEN....some loudmouth reporter SHOUTS from Oswald's left - LOUDMOUTH: NOBODY SAID WHAT?That caused Oswald to look up, with a definite irritation on his face. It's obvious that he was hoping to present himself in a coherent, calm manner but the obnoxious shouting prompted Fritz to end the press conference. Oswald is led away, very clearly still interested in speaking to the reporters, witness his leaning over to tell the reporter that "A policeman hit me." His look is not one of surprise at being charged with JFK's murder, and that's proven even further by his demeanor as he's led away. He's not shocked or stunned. He's not soiling his shorts. He wants to stay and talk to the reporters some more. The characterization of him being shocked or surprised makes no sense. <![CDATA[As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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May 06, 2010, 04:42:32 PM
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Martin,
I could be wrong but to my ears the loudmouth reporter says it twice - nobody said what, nobody said what. I think he's reacting to what Oswald said, "nobody has said that to me yet." The loudmouth reporter didn't hear the first reporter's question.
But like everything in this case, each person sees/hears through their own lens.
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Mark i've listened a couple of times again. I think you are correct. When he said it the second time it's clearer. Good catch best Martin
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May 06, 2010, 05:20:28 PM
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I'd like to clear this one up because it's important. There have been many characterizations of Oswald's demeanor at the midnight press conference, particularly his look of "surprise" upon hearing that he was charged with the murder of JFK. I disagree with this depiction of events. To me, it's very clear that he has almost NO reaction to this news. If you pay close attention to the sequence of events in the video, it goes like this: REPORTER: Did you kill the President? OSWALD: No, I have not been charged with that. In fact, nobody has said that to me yet. The first thing I heard about it was when the newspaper reporters in the hall axed me that question. THEN... A reporter kneeling direction in front of Oswald says: REPORTER: You HAVE been charged. Oswald looks directly at the man who said it. He makes no reaction, other than a slight lean forward and in a very polite tone of voice, he says: OSWALD: Sir? As if to say...I'm sorry, I didn't hear what you said. The reporter then tried to repeat his statement - REPORTER: You have... And THEN....some loudmouth reporter SHOUTS from Oswald's left - LOUDMOUTH: NOBODY SAID WHAT?That caused Oswald to look up, with a definite irritation on his face. It's obvious that he was hoping to present himself in a coherent, calm manner but the obnoxious shouting prompted Fritz to end the press conference. Oswald is led away, very clearly still interested in speaking to the reporters, witness his leaning over to tell the reporter that "A policeman hit me." His look is not one of surprise at being charged with JFK's murder, and that's proven even further by his demeanor as he's led away. He's not shocked or stunned. He's not soiling his shorts. He wants to stay and talk to the reporters some more. The characterization of him being shocked or surprised makes no sense. <![CDATA[As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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May 06, 2010, 05:28:02 PM
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I'd like to clear this one up because it's important. There have been many characterizations of Oswald's demeanor at the midnight press conference, particularly his look of "surprise" upon hearing that he was charged with the murder of JFK. I disagree with this depiction of events. To me, it's very clear that he has almost NO reaction to this news. If you pay close attention to the sequence of events in the video, it goes like this: REPORTER: Did you kill the President? OSWALD: No, I have not been charged with that. In fact, nobody has said that to me yet. The first thing I heard about it was when the newspaper reporters in the hall axed me that question. THEN... A reporter kneeling direction in front of Oswald says: REPORTER: You HAVE been charged. Oswald looks directly at the man who said it. He makes no reaction, other than a slight lean forward and in a very polite tone of voice, he says: OSWALD: Sir? As if to say...I'm sorry, I didn't hear what you said. The reporter then tried to repeat his statement - REPORTER: You have... And THEN....some loudmouth reporter SHOUTS from Oswald's left - LOUDMOUTH: NOBODY SAID WHAT?That caused Oswald to look up, with a definite irritation on his face. It's obvious that he was hoping to present himself in a coherent, calm manner but the obnoxious shouting prompted Fritz to end the press conference. Oswald is led away, very clearly still interested in speaking to the reporters, witness his leaning over to tell the reporter that "A policeman hit me." His look is not one of surprise at being charged with JFK's murder, and that's proven even further by his demeanor as he's led away. He's not shocked or stunned. He's not soiling his shorts. He wants to stay and talk to the reporters some more. The characterization of him being shocked or surprised makes no sense. <![CDATA[As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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May 06, 2010, 05:29:39 PM
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I'd like to clear this one up because it's important. There have been many characterizations of Oswald's demeanor at the midnight press conference, particularly his look of "surprise" upon hearing that he was charged with the murder of JFK. I disagree with this depiction of events. To me, it's very clear that he has almost NO reaction to this news. If you pay close attention to the sequence of events in the video, it goes like this: REPORTER: Did you kill the President? OSWALD: No, I have not been charged with that. In fact, nobody has said that to me yet. The first thing I heard about it was when the newspaper reporters in the hall axed me that question. THEN... A reporter kneeling direction in front of Oswald says: REPORTER: You HAVE been charged. Oswald looks directly at the man who said it. He makes no reaction, other than a slight lean forward and in a very polite tone of voice, he says: OSWALD: Sir? As if to say...I'm sorry, I didn't hear what you said. The reporter then tried to repeat his statement - REPORTER: You have... And THEN....some loudmouth reporter SHOUTS from Oswald's left - LOUDMOUTH: NOBODY SAID WHAT?That caused Oswald to look up, with a definite irritation on his face. It's obvious that he was hoping to present himself in a coherent, calm manner but the obnoxious shouting prompted Fritz to end the press conference. Oswald is led away, very clearly still interested in speaking to the reporters, witness his leaning over to tell the reporter that "A policeman hit me." His look is not one of surprise at being charged with JFK's murder, and that's proven even further by his demeanor as he's led away. He's not shocked or stunned. He's not soiling his shorts. He wants to stay and talk to the reporters some more. The characterization of him being shocked or surprised makes no sense. <![CDATA[As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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May 06, 2010, 05:31:45 PM
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I'd like to clear this one up because it's important. There have been many characterizations of Oswald's demeanor at the midnight press conference, particularly his look of "surprise" upon hearing that he was charged with the murder of JFK. I disagree with this depiction of events. To me, it's very clear that he has almost NO reaction to this news. If you pay close attention to the sequence of events in the video, it goes like this: REPORTER: Did you kill the President? OSWALD: No, I have not been charged with that. In fact, nobody has said that to me yet. The first thing I heard about it was when the newspaper reporters in the hall axed me that question. THEN... A reporter kneeling direction in front of Oswald says: REPORTER: You HAVE been charged. Oswald looks directly at the man who said it. He makes no reaction, other than a slight lean forward and in a very polite tone of voice, he says: OSWALD: Sir? As if to say...I'm sorry, I didn't hear what you said. The reporter then tried to repeat his statement - REPORTER: You have... And THEN....some loudmouth reporter SHOUTS from Oswald's left - LOUDMOUTH: NOBODY SAID WHAT?That caused Oswald to look up, with a definite irritation on his face. It's obvious that he was hoping to present himself in a coherent, calm manner but the obnoxious shouting prompted Fritz to end the press conference. Oswald is led away, very clearly still interested in speaking to the reporters, witness his leaning over to tell the reporter that "A policeman hit me." His look is not one of surprise at being charged with JFK's murder, and that's proven even further by his demeanor as he's led away. He's not shocked or stunned. He's not soiling his shorts. He wants to stay and talk to the reporters some more. The characterization of him being shocked or surprised makes no sense. <![CDATA[As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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May 06, 2010, 06:07:53 PM
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Voice: (unintelligible...may say 'Are you sure you don't have anything to do with this', or similar)...'
Oswald : 'Uh, I really don't know what, what the situation is about, nobody has told me anything, except that i'm accused of, uh, of uh, murdering a policeman. I know nothing more than that, I do request eh, someone to come forward, uh... to give me a legal assistance'.
Voice : 'Did you kill the President?'
Oswald : No, I have not been charged with that, in fact nobody has said that to me, yet, ah, first thing I heard about it was when the newspaper reporters in the (voice waivers) hall, axed me that question'.
Voice : 'You have been charged with it'.
Voice 2 : 'Nobody said what?'
Oswald : Sir?'
Reporter 'You have been charged with it'.
Voice 2 : Nobody said what?'
Voice 3 : 'Okay men,...okay'.
Voice 1 : (Unintelligible, NOT 'What did you do in Russia?')
Voice 4 : '(Would you) like any cigarettes'?
Voice 5 : 'Mr. Oswald, how did you bruise your eye?'
Oswald : A Policeman hit me'.
Other sounds are chair scrapes, a female voice, and someone shouting 'Calm down', 'At ease', 'Go ahead....go ahead' before the reporter asks if he killed JFK.
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May 07, 2010, 10:55:49 AM
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Hey Mark, I am in 100% agreement with you, except for one thing. I believe that it is Chief Curry who says "Okay men...okay", which was the command to end the brief Q&A session with Oswald.
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