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 March 30, 2010, 05:38:02 PM
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I'll start this with an excerpt from the S.M. Holland interview. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginPlease note his description of the sound difference between shots. chris
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March 30, 2010, 05:48:46 PM
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Next, I ask that you pay attention to the bottom red square and the time difference between these 2 impulses. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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March 30, 2010, 05:58:14 PM
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When do Toni Foster and Bill Newman react in Nix, in relation to the frame #? There is a frame count in red for the time period I'm concerned with. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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March 30, 2010, 06:13:49 PM
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I believe the ordinary response time for an individual in reaction to external stimulus (gun shot) was proven to be about a 5 to 6 Z frame span. Not including the camera movement at frame 318 in response to the 313 shot, at what frame/s is there another incident of obvious camera movement in this Z clip? As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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March 30, 2010, 07:26:36 PM
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13 frames equals approx 10 ft. farther down the street with limo traveling at 9.2 mph.
Mr. ALTGENS - This would put me at approximately this area here, which would be about 15 feet from me at the time he was shot in the head--about 15 feet from the car on the west side of the car--on the side that Mrs. Kennedy was riding in the car.
I had refocused to 15 feet because I wanted a good closeup of the President and Mrs. Kennedy, and that's why I know that it would be right at 15 feet, because I had prefocused in that area, and I had my camera almost to my eye when it happened and that's as far as I got with my camera.
Because, you see, even up to that time I didn't know that the President had been shot previously. I still thought up until that time that all I heard was fireworks and that they were giving some sort of celebration to the President by popping these fireworks. It stunned me so at what I saw that I failed to do my duty and make the picture that I was hoping to make.
There was flesh particles that flew out of the side of his head in my direction from where I was standing,
Mr. LIEBELER - And that it was 15 feet away at the time the third shot was fired.
Mr. ALTGENS - Yes, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER - I don't know how many feet it moved, but it moved quite a ways from the time the first shot was fired until the time the third shot was fired. I'm having trouble on this Exhibit No. 203 understanding how you could have been within 30 feet of the President's car when you took Commission Exhibit No. 203 and within 15 feet of the car when he was hit with the last shot in the head without having moved yourself. Now, you have previously indicated that you were right beside the President's car when he was hit in the head.
Mr. ALTGENS - Well, I was about 15 feet from it.
Mr. LIEBELER - But it was almost directly in front of you as it went down the street; isn't that right?
Mr. ALTGENS - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - So, it is clear from your testimony that the third shot--the last shot, rather--hit the President?
Mr. ALTGENS - Well, off and on we have been referring to the third shot and the fourth shot; but actually, it was the last shot, the shot did strike the President and there was no other sound like a shot that was made after that. I was just going to make a conclusion here, but that's not my place to do that, so I'll just forget it--what I was going to say
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March 30, 2010, 07:40:51 PM
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Pay attention to Z filming on the pedestal. When do we see him react to a shot while filming? As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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March 31, 2010, 01:10:41 AM
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I'll start this with an excerpt from the S.M. Holland interview. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginPlease note his description of the sound difference between shots. chris Holland says the 4th shot was much louder than the 3rd shot. Bill Newman's reaction is to the loudest shot. Newman sees and describes the 313 shot, but his reaction in Nix indicates a response to the later shot. chris
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March 31, 2010, 01:21:39 AM
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13 frames equals approx 10 ft. farther down the street with limo traveling at 9.2 mph.
Mr. ALTGENS - This would put me at approximately this area here, which would be about 15 feet from me at the time he was shot in the head--about 15 feet from the car on the west side of the car--on the side that Mrs. Kennedy was riding in the car.
I had refocused to 15 feet because I wanted a good closeup of the President and Mrs. Kennedy, and that's why I know that it would be right at 15 feet, because I had prefocused in that area, and I had my camera almost to my eye when it happened and that's as far as I got with my camera.
Because, you see, even up to that time I didn't know that the President had been shot previously. I still thought up until that time that all I heard was fireworks and that they were giving some sort of celebration to the President by popping these fireworks. It stunned me so at what I saw that I failed to do my duty and make the picture that I was hoping to make.
There was flesh particles that flew out of the side of his head in my direction from where I was standing,
Mr. LIEBELER - And that it was 15 feet away at the time the third shot was fired.
Mr. ALTGENS - Yes, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER - I don't know how many feet it moved, but it moved quite a ways from the time the first shot was fired until the time the third shot was fired. I'm having trouble on this Exhibit No. 203 understanding how you could have been within 30 feet of the President's car when you took Commission Exhibit No. 203 and within 15 feet of the car when he was hit with the last shot in the head without having moved yourself. Now, you have previously indicated that you were right beside the President's car when he was hit in the head.
Mr. ALTGENS - Well, I was about 15 feet from it.
Mr. LIEBELER - But it was almost directly in front of you as it went down the street; isn't that right?
Mr. ALTGENS - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - So, it is clear from your testimony that the third shot--the last shot, rather--hit the President?
Mr. ALTGENS - Well, off and on we have been referring to the third shot and the fourth shot; but actually, it was the last shot, the shot did strike the President and there was no other sound like a shot that was made after that. I was just going to make a conclusion here, but that's not my place to do that, so I'll just forget it--what I was going to say
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Distance Measurements. Thank you Tom Purvis. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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April 01, 2010, 07:52:17 AM
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View of the curb mark just before the steps. WC document 875 stating the last shot at 4 feet before 5+00 mark, which would actually be within a foot of the 4+95 mark labeled by Tom. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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