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This is something I've been wondering about for a long time, and a big part of the reason why alteration(and other conspiracy theories) is utter crap.
We have people believing that the conspiracy to kill JFK and cover it up included the CIA, the FBI, Secret Service, some DPD cops, LBJ and the mafia. The conspirators did all the following things according to some CT's:
Shoot JFK from multiple directions in an open plaza.
Had people stationed everywhere in Dealey Plaza to make signals with umbrellas and radios.
Ordered the Secret Service to not protect JFK and stop the limo on Elm street.
Created the WC with the only intention of framing Oswald.
Controlled the entire investigation and ignored all evidence that didn't support the official conclusion.
Altered several films and a big amount of photographs from that day using 1963 technology.
Altered the autopsy photosgraphs and X-rays.
Altered the body of JFK.
Destroyed a lot of important evidence and planted new fake evidence.
Killed many witnesses who did not support the official conclusion.
Hired people to tell people disinformation about the assassination.
Made the HSCA for the same purpose as the WC, only to fool the public into believing the official conclusion and ignore all other evidence.
Even today, 46 years later, they still employ people to sell the official conclusion.
They have made several documentaries on the Discovery Channel only to spread further disinformation.
I know very few CT's believe all those things, but a big part of CT's believe most of them. Now, the conspirators allegedly went through all that work only to get rid of JFK, one man.
I would like to ask, how stupid do people think the conspirators were?
Would a conspiracy with the power to do all those things really choose to kill JFK in an open space with many hundreds of witnesses? They couldn't know nor control how many people would bring cameras, so there would be a big risk of a movie showing the real truth, which they had spent so much time deleting from the Zapruder, Nix and Muchmore film.
Also, just imagine how many people the conspiracy has involved over the last 46 years, and how much money is must have cost. If you had the power to do all those things, would this be a good solution?
Why didn't the conspiracy kill him in a place with much fewer witnesses, which would be way easier to get away with? They could do it an a lot of ways that would make more sense, e.g. put poison in his coffee to provoke a heart attack.
Why would the conspirators choose such an obviously stupid way of killing JFK, when it involved so much risk? Why?
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March 13, 2010, 03:37:26 PM
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A shot from Dal-Tex building was easier than anything available at Love Field or Trade Mart. Had rain continued that AM, I'm convinced that a commie named Alek Hidell who worked at LF or TM would have been blamed for murder. When weather broke, the Dal-Tex shot became a "go".
The DT shooter did not "off" JFK, so other shots were required, making the hit a bit sloppier than planned.
Total speculation of course.
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March 13, 2010, 03:45:49 PM
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Rather than risk their careers and the lives of their families, why did this vast conspiracy simply not wait until the November, 1964 election to rid the country of Kennedy? Surely fixing the election would be safer than exposing themselves?
How could these conspiritors plant a bullet at Parkland hospital without knowing the severity of the injuries to Kennedy?
Not unlike the 9/11 truthers who blame the federal government for being behind the 9/11 attacks. Would it have not been simpler for Bush et al to have planted a few WMD in Iraq??????
IMO this is where common sense and critical thinking simply do not exist in the world of shadows and mirrors.....conspiracy theory.
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March 13, 2010, 03:46:44 PM
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Andreas, they are going to peg YOU as part of this ongoing, conspired, disinformation campaign.
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March 13, 2010, 04:21:10 PM
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We have people believing that the conspiracy to kill JFK and cover it up included the CIA, the FBI, Secret Service, some DPD cops, LBJ and the mafia. The conspirators did all the following things according to some CT's:
It's pretty understandable that people believe all kinds of things about the assassination. We know that the CIA, FBI, some DD cops, and LBJ did cover up various aspects of the assassinaiton. Given that, and how Oswald was killed, I find it very understandable that people would believe all kinds of things. They're searching for a truth that has been kept from them. The whole story. It's easy to believe all kinds of things that may be just coincidence or may be something sinister.
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March 13, 2010, 04:52:11 PM
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I know very few CT's believe all those things, but a big part of CT's believe most of them. More accurately believe PARTS of most of them.... there is no possibility that an expert, or team of super-experts, could have fabricated the perfectly coordinated whole. That's just the point Paul...It WASN'T done perfectly...that's why there are so many questions. I think to find the truth in all this a person has to step back and look at all the evidence....Kennedy had a lot of powerful enemy's. What would it have cost big business if we had pulled out of Vietnam? BILLIONS of dollars....what would the CIA have done if it's almost unlimited power were taken away? What would it have cost organized crime if JFK and Bobby would have had a few more years to investigate/arrest them.... BILLIONS more. What would it have cost LBJ if JFK had dumped him from the ticket and he'd have been tried for some of his illegal activities? He'd have been in jail and his political career ended instead of becoming president of the USA as happened. Just think about it.
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March 13, 2010, 05:14:59 PM
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All the risk of an assassination wasn't necessary, if "THEY" wanted to get of Kennedy all they had to do was leak/expose his debauched sex life. A lot of Kennedy's attraction was built on his "good family man" image, the truth would have cost him the upcoming election.
I think even in the 60's views on that were changing...I also think most people realized that JFK was a bit of a horn dog. There were rumors about him and Marylin, and after she sang her "Happy Birthday Mr. President" song to him, for all the world to see, could there have been any doubt? Think Bill and Monica....that was much later but the vast majority of people were not all that concerned.
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March 13, 2010, 05:23:00 PM
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All the risk of an assassination wasn't necessary, if "THEY" wanted to get of Kennedy all they had to do was leak/expose his debauched sex life. A lot of Kennedy's attraction was built on his "good family man" image, the truth would have cost him the upcoming election.
I think even in the 60's views on that were changing...I also think most people realized that JFK was a bit of a horn dog. There were rumors about him and Marylin, and after she sang her "Happy Birthday Mr. President" song to him, for all the world to see, could there have been any doubt? Think Bill and Monica....that was much later but the vast majority of people were not all that concerned. Well, as your an American I guess I cant really argue with you, you must know better than I about public opinion in your country but I hope some of your countrymen comment on this. I would have thought with being the 60's an all...
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March 13, 2010, 05:35:59 PM
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All the risk of an assassination wasn't necessary, if "THEY" wanted to get of Kennedy all they had to do was leak/expose his debauched sex life. A lot of Kennedy's attraction was built on his "good family man" image, the truth would have cost him the upcoming election.
Dennis, this is such a valid point. Were there a conspiracy to get Kennedy out of office, there were certainly safer ways to do so. Leaking secrets, rigging the 1964 election were but two. Gary simply lists the old "Kennedy has enemies issue". All world leaders have enemies. However, motive is not evidence and this is the point Gary continually refuses to understand. The USA is not a banana republic. Public assassinations in broad daylight in view of hundreds of people with cameras is not how it's done. Professional assassins do not use $21.95 weapons. JFK's reaction to the CIA after the Bay of Pigs failure was a knee  reaction. JFK even continued to play golf with DCI. The critics shrug aside the fact that President Kennedy, after the most rigorous inquiry into the agency's affairs, methods and problems after the Bay of Pigs, did not "splinter" it after all and did not even recommend Congressional oversight.
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March 13, 2010, 11:48:48 PM
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All the risk of an assassination wasn't necessary, if "THEY" wanted to get of Kennedy all they had to do was leak/expose his debauched sex life. A lot of Kennedy's attraction was built on his "good family man" image, the truth would have cost him the upcoming election.
I'm sure this has been brought up before. I tend to disagree with the expose style argument. Simply because you change the environment for all politicians once you let that cat out of the bag. That method comes with serious backwash for all who are in that position. Dennis, Profumo must have been around this time wasn't it?
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