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 February 28, 2010, 04:16:42 PM
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Martin claims, based on his "beta" wireframe, that the windshield damage seen in A7 is in the same location as the so called spiral nebula in A6. Martin is reluctant to show his work in this regard, claiming it incomplete and not ready for public viewing. Instead he offers his "trust me" line. Thats fine. However since Martin knows he is correct, it should be a simple matter for him to indicate on this overhead drawing of the limo, the LOS for A6 and A 7 and show the location of the windshield defect..which should be the same place if he is correct..... 
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February 28, 2010, 05:10:03 PM
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Martin claims, based on his "beta" wireframe, that the windshield damage seen in A7 is in the same location as the so called spiral nebula in A6. Martin is reluctant to show his work in this regard, claiming it incomplete and not ready for public viewing. Instead he offers his "trust me" line. Please control your wording here again. Otherwise i call you from now on a DISINFORMANT agent. When you don't understand what i stated on ED Forum please quote my text from there to here, but do not lie about me and put words in my mouth i've never said. Thats fine.
However since Martin knows he is correct, it should be a simple matter for him to indicate on this overhead drawing of the limo, the LOS for A6 and A 7 and show the location of the windshield defect..which should be the same place if he is correct.....
I prefer to follow my own timelines, my own principles and my own models. To use a overhead drawing is propably the worst idea to work it out. brolley1 It shows me that you just an amateur. surrenderxx Why should i search for the moons of Saturn with my naked eye when i have a big telescope here?
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February 28, 2010, 05:38:04 PM
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Martin claims, based on his "beta" wireframe, that the windshield damage seen in A7 is in the same location as the so called spiral nebula in A6. Martin is reluctant to show his work in this regard, claiming it incomplete and not ready for public viewing. Instead he offers his "trust me" line. Please control your wording here again. Otherwise i call you from now on a DISINFORMANT agent. When you don't understand what i stated on ED Forum please quote my text from there to here, but do not lie about me and put words in my mouth i've never said. Thats fine.
However since Martin knows he is correct, it should be a simple matter for him to indicate on this overhead drawing of the limo, the LOS for A6 and A 7 and show the location of the windshield defect..which should be the same place if he is correct.....
I prefer to follow my own timelines, my own principles and my own models. To use a overhead drawing is propably the worst idea to work it out. brolley1 It shows me that you just an amateur. surrenderxx Why should i search for the moons of Saturn with my naked eye when i have a big telescope here? Actually the overhead it much cleaner and simpler and more effective that your beta "wireframe" you are afraid to show the world. The LOS is devoid of any of "guesses" you must make for your silly 3d model. What good is your big telescope if you don't know what direction to point it? I suspect we will need to wait another year to see your beta wireframe ....maybe more given your history of running away when the going gets tough. Just show us the los, it's pretty simple. If its beyond you I guess we will all know you simply can't cut it in the real world. Must be simpler for you to just live inside your computer. I won't count on it because in a word Martin, you are a coward.
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February 28, 2010, 05:59:26 PM
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Martin claims, based on his "beta" wireframe, that the windshield damage seen in A7 is in the same location as the so called spiral nebula in A6. Martin is reluctant to show his work in this regard, claiming it incomplete and not ready for public viewing. Instead he offers his "trust me" line. Thats fine. However since Martin knows he is correct, it should be a simple matter for him to indicate on this overhead drawing of the limo, the LOS for A6 and A 7 and show the location of the windshield defect..which should be the same place if he is correct..... Craig, it would be easy for YOU to show the discrepancy between A6 & A7. That would be a piece of cake. So, why don't you do that. Is it a personal problem?
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February 28, 2010, 06:12:56 PM
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Martin claims, based on his "beta" wireframe, that the windshield damage seen in A7 is in the same location as the so called spiral nebula in A6. Martin is reluctant to show his work in this regard, claiming it incomplete and not ready for public viewing. Instead he offers his "trust me" line. Thats fine. However since Martin knows he is correct, it should be a simple matter for him to indicate on this overhead drawing of the limo, the LOS for A6 and A 7 and show the location of the windshield defect..which should be the same place if he is correct..... Craig, it would be easy for YOU to show the discrepancy between A6 & A7. That would be a piece of cake. So, why don't you do that. Is it a personal problem? Geeze Miles, still smarting from getting your azz kicked in the Betzner thread? Clearly its MARTINS claim, now based soley on his "expert" but unsourced opinion. He says "trust me" but can't back it up. You don't have a problem with that? He can show his proof or slink off into the sunset...his choice. But given his past I'm guessing he will slink off, claiming a huge workload, his own timetable or some other pile of crap excuse. Its his nature.... And of course I COULD post the LOS first, but then again its NOT my claim now is it? Why don't YOU post it Miles? Drawing lines on photos is the one thing you have going for you.
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February 28, 2010, 06:42:37 PM
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Martin claims, based on his "beta" wireframe, that the windshield damage seen in A7 is in the same location as the so called spiral nebula in A6. Martin is reluctant to show his work in this regard, claiming it incomplete and not ready for public viewing. Instead he offers his "trust me" line. Thats fine. However since Martin knows he is correct, it should be a simple matter for him to indicate on this overhead drawing of the limo, the LOS for A6 and A 7 and show the location of the windshield defect..which should be the same place if he is correct..... Craig, it would be easy for YOU to show the discrepancy between A6 & A7. That would be a piece of cake. So, why don't you do that. Is it a personal problem? Geeze Miles, still smarting from getting your azz kicked in the Betzner thread? Clearly its MARTINS claim, now based soley on his "expert" but unsourced opinion. He says "trust me" but can't back it up. You don't have a problem with that? He can show his proof or slink off into the sunset...his choice. But given his past I'm guessing he will slink off, claiming a huge workload, his own timetable or some other pile of crap excuse. Its his nature.... And of course I COULD post the LOS first, but then again its NOT my claim now is it? Why don't YOU post it Miles? Drawing lines on photos is the one thing you have going for you. Ha! That little ridge crushed your Betzner fairy tale into pressed pocket lint. lmao The blue & red lines show different elevations vis-a-vie the mirror, even with a 4 degree drop considered: 
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February 28, 2010, 07:02:47 PM
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Poor Miles, all of this is really beyond your limited intellectual powers. Its really pretty sad to see.
My Betzner work is still doing quite well, seeing as no one can find a TRUTHFUL way to debunk it.
So back to the case at hand, Martin's inability to draw some simple LOS on an overhead view.
Of course Martin claims he needs 100's of hours of computer time to put this in perspective...bulletproof...and perhaps he will get around to that...someday. (where have I heard that from him before..oh yea... the backyard photos...) But he tells us never mind the proof at this point because I am 3d expert and it will all come out as I say it will. (Trust me...yea right)
In any case Miles the los from an overhead view is a powerful proof. If as Martin the expert says and the two defects are the same, the LOS of each photo..IN AN OVERHEAD VIEW..will intersect in the location of the defect. Simple, powerful and scientific. It's really quite telling that Martin shys away from such solid and simple proof.
You too it seems Miles, you instead of dealing with direct proofs such as an overhead LOS you resort to your usual ill-informed drawing and your standard LINES on PHOTOS.
Do your buddy Martin a favor. Show the two LOS on the overhead intersecting on the windshield in the proper position. Maybe you can save his sorry azz.
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« Last Edit: February 28, 2010, 07:19:28 PM by Craig Lamson »
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February 28, 2010, 10:31:10 PM
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]...Don't make me laugh! Your Betzner died on:
On the windshield chip, I'm afraid you are going to have do a little work for once, instead of whimpering because you can't enslave others to effect your whims.
Let's pretend that Martin doesn't exist. Whoa! Kind of lonely, now. So, cut out this silly boo-hoo baby nonsense & get to work. Show the world! You can do it!
Oh it died eh? Lets not get to far afield here but theat little ridge is what killed YOUR silly position. You ignorance is on display..again. Ok Martin does not exist (which is pretty much the case anyways in regard to his posting his work), so there is no claim that needs validated. Works for me.
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March 08, 2010, 04:24:10 AM
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I cant wait to see Martins work on this
I believe Martin is correct about the Sprial Nebula and the hole in Altgens 7 are one in the same
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March 08, 2010, 03:37:07 PM
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I cant wait to see Martins work on this
I believe Martin is correct about the Sprial Nebula and the hole in Altgens 7 are one in the same
Just curious Dean, how do you account for thr massive size difference between the artifact in A6 and the artifact in A7?
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