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 February 17, 2010, 06:43:54 PM
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Eyewitness testimony can be interesting and even meaningful when taken in context. But it should by no means ever be the final word. Umpires and referees are paid eyewitnesses. They are highly trained. They are on alert, ready to see something and make decisions based on what they've seen. And yet they frequently get it wrong. For those across the pond, sorry for the baseball clip, I know the sport is like hieroglyphics to many of you, but you can follow the logic of this report anyway. <![CDATA[As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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February 20, 2010, 02:01:13 AM
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Hey maybe they were taking bribes from the Gambinos lmao anyway GO YANKS!
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February 22, 2010, 01:42:47 PM
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Slow the game down......LOL
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February 28, 2010, 09:28:37 PM
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I've been going over some witness interviews this evening and I was actually thinking along the same lines. Much as I want to believe S.M. Holland and Carolyn Walther among others, people do make mistakes and unfortunately people do lie. Whilst I'm not suggesting that either of my examples were mistaken and neither am I calling them  (far from it). Both things are possible.
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February 28, 2010, 10:56:56 PM
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It appears to me that there was no puff of smoke from gunfire, only from the police motorcycles.
But, remember, the smoke that was seen in that locus (picket fence) smelled: of gunfire. Do you think motorcycles run on gunpowder? lmao
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February 28, 2010, 11:24:31 PM
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Erm Bill, if that was for my benefit, read what I said again. sheeshxx
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March 01, 2010, 05:16:18 AM
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Erm Bill, if that was for my benefit, read what I said again. sheeshxx
William, no worries. My post had nothing to do with countering anything that you said in your post. In fact, the two posts agree with each other, I would say.
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March 01, 2010, 05:24:55 AM
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A perfect example of the a sniper's gun smoke is seen here at about 4 minutes in to the clip: <![CDATA[As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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March 01, 2010, 05:40:32 AM
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Erm Bill, if that was for my benefit, read what I said again. sheeshxx
William, no worries. My post had nothing to do with countering anything that you said in your post. In fact, the two posts agree with each other, I would say. Sorry mate, it just appeared that way to me. sheeshxx
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March 01, 2010, 11:14:39 AM
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A perfect example of the a sniper's gun smoke is seen here at about 4 minutes in to the clip: <![CDATA[As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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WHERE DID THE SMOKE, WHICH SMELLED AS GUN SMOKE, COME FROM, THEN ??
YOU SAY FROM MOTORCYCLES . lmao ONLY TROUBLE WITH THAT BOGUS NOTION ARE THE KNOWN FACTS THAT:
1.) THERE WERE ZERO MOTORCYCLES BEHIND THE PICKET FENCE.
2.) A BRISK WIND WAS BLOWING EAST UP ELM STREET, CARRYING MOTORCYCLE EXHAUST FUMES AWAY FROM THE FENCE.
A GOOD EXAMPLE, TO CAP MY ARGUMENT, OF YOUR DETERMINATION TO ALTER THE FACTS IS SEEN BELOW: copxx In the past on this forum, you have implied that motorcycles run on gunpowder, that the third shot was an echo & you have stated that Gordon Arnold saw the assassin on both sides of the picket fence. You have implied that the assassin should shoot Hudson. You have implied that Bowers did not testify to Lane. You have stated that Zapruder could see through dense pyracantha foliage along the picket fence when he could not have done so in order to see behind/along the picket fence. You have even stated that Fritz did not hear Ruby's gunshot even though Fritz was standing five feet away from Oswald when Ruby shot Oswald. WOW! And the list goes on. Now, you are asserting, again, a misstatement of fact in regard to witness reports.
To repeat, now for the forth time:I'll stick with what I said earlier, thanks. Not one single witness reported seeing a shooter anywhere but the 6th floor, on 11/22/63.
"Not one single witness reported on 11/22/63 seeing a shooter anywhere but the 6th floor. This is an important statement, not one single witness!" -- Bill BrownBaloney !Whether Hoffman saw a sniper or not is a debatable question.
Whether Hoffman reported on 11/22/63 that he had seen a sniper shooting at the picket fence is not a debatable question. It is a hard fact.
You rely on & you are gullible enough to believe bogus information from McAdams? WOW! lmao
Lieutenant Robert Hoffman, Dallas Police Department, Ed Hoffman's uncle joined the Hoffman family for Thanksgiving on Nov. 28, 1963. Robert Hoffman reported what happened on that Thanksgiving Day:
Ed Hoffman reported to several people on 11/22/63 that he had seen a sniper behind the picket fence: Hoffman's father, Hoffman's wife (who confirmed this) and Hoffman's friend, Lucien Pierce, among others. helloxx
So, once again, the following is nonsense: "Ed Hoffman, on 11/22/63, didn't report seeing a shooter to anyone." -- Bill Brown
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