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 February 09, 2010, 01:39:05 AM
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Just a thought ...check out the photo and the black skyscraper behind the County records building ... could a world class sniper kill with a head shot from that range? Maybe the shooter wasnt even in Dealey Plaza... As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginSorry its only a link , but the photo is the first one on the page ..Mcintyre ...
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February 09, 2010, 05:20:07 AM
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Michael Not sure I've X'd the right building/location in this Mcintyre photograph. I think I have. If so, here's what you've got using a current satellite image overlooking Dealey Plaza. Rick  
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February 09, 2010, 06:03:37 AM
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Short answer is it's an easy shot for a pro. More info here : As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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February 09, 2010, 04:27:53 PM
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Hi Rick , yes youve X ed the right building ... Does anyone have the ability to measure its distance from the location of the headshot?
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February 09, 2010, 04:34:38 PM
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Not sure the building in your second photo is the same one though ...seems too far back , when you look at the Mcintyre photo anyway ..plus it seems a different shape ...Looking at the Mcintyre photo the black skyscraper seems at least a block closer .. Anyway to check on the history of the "Black skyscraper" ? When it was started to be built , finished ..etc
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February 09, 2010, 04:39:38 PM
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William , ta for that ... scary stuff .. This is something ive always wondered about .. a real pro would want to be as far away from the action as possible but also have a realistic chance of a kill shot...My interest was reawakened whilst watching the fictional movie "The Shooter" (Mark Wahlberg) which has some obvious JFK nods and winks in it .... Just a thought then ...if a long range kill shot was possible ...any shots fired in Dealey may have been only so much distraction ...
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February 09, 2010, 07:00:21 PM
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Our guys in the Middle East right now are sniping at ranges of a mile or a bit more. But the scopes they use are true wonders, I am not sure this kind of optic existed back in 1963. They are also shooting near stationary targets.
But to answer your question better, a 1000 yard shot of a caliber like the .308 would only take about a second to hit. This kind of shooting is not uncommon for expert snipers.
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February 09, 2010, 08:49:00 PM
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To me, that is not a "black skyscraper". It appears to be the same building in the photos that Rick posted. I just believe that on 11/22/63 it was still in the process of being built. The top of the building looks like it is around 750 yards away from the spot on the street. Just my educated guess.
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February 09, 2010, 11:00:44 PM
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Re: Mcintyre photograph Where's Dan Rather? He's supposed to be on this side of the Underpass waiting for a footage drop. The flat area that the limo is passing over is the original course of the Trinity River. Its course was altered in 1928 by flood control measures introduced by the US Army Corps of Engineers (in early 2009, the Corps warned the Trinity levee system was "unacceptable"). Between 1935 and 1942, the Triple Underpass and city park landscaping were built, with the area being called "The Gateway to Dallas" or "Front Door of Dallas." The railroad bridge was required to link to the 1916 Dallas Union Station (prior to the bridge trains had run along a bluff). The bridge was busy in the Sixties, but now serves such traffic as an Amtrak connection ( Texas Eagle) to Chicago and DART light rail.
Thomas Canning was a NASA engineer hired by the HSCA to conduct a trajectory analysis of the shots using the Zapruder film and the wound sites. Canning traced backed the shots by lining up the wound sites on the two victims. In the case of the single bullet theory, Canning was able to trace back through both men from the Governor's inshoot back on through the neck of Kennedy. When projected backward along the angle determined by the wound sites, the bullet trajectory led up to the vicinity of the Sniper's Nest window. As there was some distance between Kennedy and Connally, the angle between their wounds provided a reasonably precise angle of slope and direction. Canning's margin of error for the SBT had a mere seven feet of radius. Canning HSCA SBT Direction (JFK exhibit F-144) Canning HSCA SBT Slope (JFK exhibit F-142) Zapruder frame Z190 was studied for the SBT analysis, being guided by hopeful results from the acoustics analysis. If the SBT occurred just prior to Z223, the results would not vary appreciably. Jerry
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February 10, 2010, 12:15:39 AM
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Re: Mcintyre photograph Where's Dan Rather? He's supposed to be on this side of the Underpass waiting for a footage drop. The flat area that the limo is passing over is the original course of the Trinity River. Its course was altered in 1928 by flood control measures introduced by the US Army Corps of Engineers (in early 2009, the Corps warned the Trinity levee system was "unacceptable"). Between 1935 and 1942, the Triple Underpass and city park landscaping were built, with the area being called "The Gateway to Dallas" or "Front Door of Dallas." The railroad bridge was required to link to the 1916 Dallas Union Station (prior to the bridge trains had run along a bluff). The bridge was busy in the Sixties, but now serves such traffic as an Amtrak connection ( Texas Eagle) to Chicago and DART light rail.
Thomas Canning was a NASA engineer hired by the HSCA to conduct a trajectory analysis of the shots using the Zapruder film and the wound sites. Canning traced backed the shots by lining up the wound sites on the two victims. In the case of the single bullet theory, Canning was able to trace back through both men from the Governor's inshoot back on through the neck of Kennedy. When projected backward along the angle determined by the wound sites, the bullet trajectory led up to the vicinity of the Sniper's Nest window. As there was some distance between Kennedy and Connally, the angle between their wounds provided a reasonably precise angle of slope and direction. Canning's margin of error for the SBT had a mere seven feet of radius. Canning HSCA SBT Direction (JFK exhibit F-144)Canning HSCA SBT Slope (JFK exhibit F-142)Zapruder frame Z190 was studied for the SBT analysis, being guided by hopeful results from the acoustics analysis. If the SBT occurred just prior to Z223, the results would not vary appreciably. Jerry Now this is interesting Jerry. What do you think about the last well known and honored 3D study from Dale K. Myers? I ask because it's been praised from many LN'er. Thank you Martin
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February 10, 2010, 04:26:10 AM
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Hi everyone thanks for all the replies ...like i say its always puzzled me that other than the Daltex building ...few have thought outside of the Book Depository or Grassy Knoll ... there were surely other options for any potential assassin/s
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