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 May 21, 2010, 01:16:01 AM
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Well, somebody did it.
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Thanks for the help John,
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LN; So how did it happen then ?
CT; I don't know, I only know that it didn't happen the way the evidence says.
LN; We should not use evidence in this case ?
CT; Correct.
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May 21, 2010, 04:51:36 AM
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Miles, I did a study on Braden a few years ago, and I concluded that the man we see on the knoll is not Braden.
I've tried to track down the study, but I have had no success so far.
The key to all of this is a photograph which I traced of this same man that we see on the knoll, leaving a building with Robert Oswald after the death of Lee.
HI DUNCAN; PALAMARA HAD ID THE MAN WITH ROBERT LEAVING AS SS FOREST SORRELLS OF DALLAS...CONTACT HIM FOR CONFIRMATION IF WANTED...BEST B..
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May 21, 2010, 12:34:27 PM
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From an email I received in 2005. Duncan, The man with Robert Oswald is one of two Secret Service agents, either Charlie Kunkel or Mike Howard: As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginThe man in Dealey Plaza is unquestionably Jim Braden. Gary Mack
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May 21, 2010, 12:43:42 PM
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From an email I received in 2005. Duncan, The man with Robert Oswald is one of two Secret Service agents, either Charlie Kunkel or Mike Howard: As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginThe man in Dealey Plaza is unquestionably Jim Braden. Gary Mack I believe it is Braden but there seems to be some resistance to that and I would gladly change my mind if other proof is found but I don't think that someone that stands out so prominently would be that hard to have identified if it were not someone like Braden, someone who was trying to keep his identity unknown.
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May 21, 2010, 05:06:42 PM
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Just an idea, Mark: Why not plot a map course for Braden, since you have invested the time in this interesting (important) topic? A map plot with time stamps: one for the Braden story & one based on the man in the photo being Braden. 
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May 21, 2010, 06:20:38 PM
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Just an idea, Mark: Why not plot a map course for Braden, since you have invested the time in this interesting (important) topic? A map plot with time stamps: one for the Braden story & one based on the man in the photo being Braden. OK, will do.
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May 21, 2010, 07:29:44 PM
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Mark, here are Braden's own words from his interview with LA police officer Manuel Gutierrez:
B: Well, the way this came about, I was in the parole office checking out with him, I was on my way to Houston and I was walking down one of the streets, I can’t think of the name of the street right now. As I was wal….I’d seen the parade and he was in the car, you know waving and the big crowd and all. And I walked over to the Federal building to check out with my parole officer. As I walked down the street I could hear the sirens going, people running around and people running up and said, “My God, the President has been shot.” And I walked on down to where I saw the people running from, you know, and they had this building surrounded, and I went upstairs in another building to make a telephone call. I was going to call my parents and tell them of this great excitement and there was a colored feller running an elevator who says, “I wasn’t supposed to take anybody up or down on this,” and the next thing I know I was mix…I was…walked right in. And then they checked me out and released me. This was a hell of a situation to get in.
G: Right, what building was that? There’s two buildings on the corner, three buildings actually. Isn’t the Federal building on one?
B: I don’t know, I don’t recall, I don’t know too much about those gover…
G: And you went upstairs to make a phone call and that was when that guy stopped you?
B: This is when that colored guy made a lot of noise and says it was blasting all over the radio and all. And the next thing I know I was right in the middle of it. I wasn’t right in the middle of it but I was detained for a while.
G: I take it you made a statement to the…
B: I did make a statement.
G: Made a statement to the Sheriffs?
B: To the Sherrif’s and they released me.
G: Then from there you came back to Los Angeles?
B: I went on to Houston and then back to Los Angeles.
And then later in the interview:
G: Then you reported to your P.O., where at Dallas?
B: I reported, I reported in and out to him. I reported in when I arrived and before I left that was around noon and we had all…He had been up to watch the parade. And I had been up to watch the parade. And so had his secretary and they had arrived back at the office about the time I did and I was checking out with him. And his name was Flowers and I said, well I said…”I just saw the President.” And he said “Yes we did too.” And it was right after that, it couldn’t have been…when I left that office. It couldn’t have been another thirty minutes later when this rhubarb came about. And believe me, you never saw such scrambling and running and shouting and screaming in your life.
G: Did you know at that time that the President had been shot?
B: I had no idea.
G: When did you first learn that the President had been shot?
B: When the feller running up the street was yelling, “My God,” he said, “The President has been shot!” Believe this was newsworthy and something that is completely different. I went up to make a telephone call. There was a building, I don’t know the name of the building. I took an old back elevator and the girl says, I says, “Is there a telephone nearby?” she said, “Yes, there’s one upstairs.” And this Negro was driving this elevator. I got on the elevator and I went up there and I was up about two minutes, came back down and the radio in his elevator was blaring and he said, he was scared too, and he said, “I wasn’t supposed to let anybody up in this building.” I don’t know, the next thing, he runs out and the whole place is surrounded by officers and he has got an officer and the officer says, “Well, I don’t know, maybe we better check it out.” Next thing I know they said, “come on with us.” Next thing I know I’m with them and they check my story out and then they released me.
G: Do you recall what you were wearing? Were you wearing a business type suit that day?
B: Oh yes, a business suit.
G: Anybody take a picture of you?
B: Not that I know of.
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G: But you didn’t make a written one (statement) to your P.O., did you? I was just going to check with them to see if…
B: I didn’t see any reason to personally myself.
G: No, I was just wondering about that if you had. I know you had made one there for the Dallas people, but I didn’t know if you had made one for you…
B: No, because if they knew about it, which they must have known about it, they knew there was no possible way I could have been connected because I was in the office at the time his caravan had just passed by the Federal Building…not by the Federal building, two blocks past on the other side of the Federal Building when we all arrived back there at the same time.
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May 21, 2010, 10:34:31 PM
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Just an idea, Mark: Why not plot a map course for Braden, since you have invested the time in this interesting (important) topic? A map plot with time stamps: one for the Braden story & one based on the man in the photo being Braden. Miles, this is your thread! How about some help?
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