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 November 09, 2009, 07:35:56 AM
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Robert,
Do you believe Oswald was guilty of anything on 11/22/63? In particular, do you believe Oswald killed Tippit?
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March 13, 2010, 03:21:37 PM
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Miles, you are the poster boy for conspiracy theory. The fact that you can even dispute the above 12 facts 46 years later is an indictment of all that is wrong with conspiracy theory. I'd have more respect for you if you simply admitted "it's possible". Can we prove with 100% certainty that Oswald pulled the trigger? No we cannot and I want to emphasize this. However, the circumstantial case against Oswald through the 12 items above in addition to Howard Brennan's testimony is 99.9% conclusive. Anythhing else is pure hogwash.
Howard Brennan, in his book, said that he saw Z-313, but his vision of that was blocked by the pillar behind him. Great witness, who also said that he could not ID Lee at the lineup, only to change his story. Also, Brennan could not see Lee's face. The so called circumstantial case against Lee has been shown to be a frame up.
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March 13, 2010, 03:40:33 PM
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Miles, you are the poster boy for conspiracy theory. The fact that you can even dispute the above 12 facts 46 years later is an indictment of all that is wrong with conspiracy theory. I'd have more respect for you if you simply admitted "it's possible". Can we prove with 100% certainty that Oswald pulled the trigger? No we cannot and I want to emphasize this. However, the circumstantial case against Oswald through the 12 items above in addition to Howard Brennan's testimony is 99.9% conclusive. Anythhing else is pure hogwash.
Howard Brennan, in his book, said that he saw Z-313, but his vision of that was blocked by the pillar behind him. Great witness, who also said that he could not ID Lee at the lineup, only to change his story. Also, Brennan could not see Lee's face. The so called circumstantial case against Lee has been shown to be a frame up. Miles, virtually everything you have posted on this thread is pure speculation and YOUR opinion but no facts. Firstly, as is typical of a CT, you OMIT important FACTS. Brennan told why he did not ID Oswald in the lineup. He was concerned for his family's welfare not knowing the full scope of the murder. In addition, you type as FACT what the Warren Commission did and didn't do. The WC took testimony from witnesses they deemed credible and important to the case. You were NOT there. Nobody, whether LN or CT can speculate on why the commission chose to interview some but not all. However, exactly how is this sinister except in the mind of a devout conspiracy theorist?
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March 13, 2010, 03:56:10 PM
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Miles, you are the poster boy for conspiracy theory. The fact that you can even dispute the above 12 facts 46 years later is an indictment of all that is wrong with conspiracy theory. I'd have more respect for you if you simply admitted "it's possible". Can we prove with 100% certainty that Oswald pulled the trigger? No we cannot and I want to emphasize this. However, the circumstantial case against Oswald through the 12 items above in addition to Howard Brennan's testimony is 99.9% conclusive. Anythhing else is pure hogwash.
Howard Brennan, in his book, said that he saw Z-313, but his vision of that was blocked by the pillar behind him. Great witness, who also said that he could not ID Lee at the lineup, only to change his story. Also, Brennan could not see Lee's face. The so called circumstantial case against Lee has been shown to be a frame up. Miles, virtually everything you have posted on this thread is pure speculation and YOUR opinion but no facts. Firstly, as is typical of a CT, you OMIT important FACTS. Brennan told why he did not ID Oswald in the lineup. He was concerned for his family's welfare not knowing the full scope of the murder. In addition, you type as FACT what the Warren Commission did and didn't do. The WC took testimony from witnesses they deemed credible and important to the case. You were NOT there. Nobody, whether LN or CT can speculate on why the commission chose to interview some but not all. However, exactly how is this sinister except in the mind of a devout conspiracy theorist? Miles, virtually everything you have posted on this thread is pure speculation and YOUR opinion but no facts. Everything I have said is established, settled fact. Firstly, as is typical of a CT That is BS from a typical LN nut., you OMIT important FACTS. WRONG. Brennan told why he did not ID Oswald in the lineup. He was concerned for his family's welfare not knowing the full scope of the murder. Rubbish. Brennan could not see the sniper's face. Plus, Brennan claimed the sniper sat on the window ledge, when that was not possible without severe body contortion. In addition, you type as FACT what the Warren Commission did and didn't do. The WC took testimony from witnesses they deemed credible and important to the case. You were NOT there. How do you know? That's mere speculation & fantasy on your part. Where's the proof, Dumbo? Nobody, whether LN or CT can speculate on why the commission chose to interview some but not all. The WC knew of witnesses, which they choose not to interview. However, exactly how is this sinister except in the mind of a devout conspiracy theorist? Are you nuts? lmao
Paul, this is to be argued with Bill, not you. Thanks for chipping in, though. Keep on trucking.
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March 13, 2010, 03:58:22 PM
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Miles, you are the poster boy for conspiracy theory. The fact that you can even dispute the above 12 facts 46 years later is an indictment of all that is wrong with conspiracy theory. I'd have more respect for you if you simply admitted "it's possible". Can we prove with 100% certainty that Oswald pulled the trigger? No we cannot and I want to emphasize this. However, the circumstantial case against Oswald through the 12 items above in addition to Howard Brennan's testimony is 99.9% conclusive. Anythhing else is pure hogwash.
Howard Brennan, in his book, said that he saw Z-313, but his vision of that was blocked by the pillar behind him. Great witness, who also said that he could not ID Lee at the lineup, only to change his story. Also, Brennan could not see Lee's face. The so called circumstantial case against Lee has been shown to be a frame up. Miles, virtually everything you have posted on this thread is pure speculation and YOUR opinion but no facts. Firstly, as is typical of a CT, you OMIT important FACTS. Brennan told why he did not ID Oswald in the lineup. He was concerned for his family's welfare not knowing the full scope of the murder. In addition, you type as FACT what the Warren Commission did and didn't do. The WC took testimony from witnesses they deemed credible and important to the case. You were NOT there. Nobody, whether LN or CT can speculate on why the commission chose to interview some but not all. However, exactly how is this sinister except in the mind of a devout conspiracy theorist? Miles, virtually everything you have posted on this thread is pure speculation and YOUR opinion but no facts. Everything I have said is established, settled fact. Firstly, as is typical of a CT That is BS from a typical LN nut., you OMIT important FACTS. WRONG. Brennan told why he did not ID Oswald in the lineup. He was concerned for his family's welfare not knowing the full scope of the murder. Rubbish. Brennan could not see the sniper's face. Plus, Brennan claimed the sniper sat on the window ledge, when that was not possible without severe body contortion. In addition, you type as FACT what the Warren Commission did and didn't do. The WC took testimony from witnesses they deemed credible and important to the case. You were NOT there. How do you know? That's mere speculation & fantasy on your part. Where's the proof, Dumbo? Nobody, whether LN or CT can speculate on why the commission chose to interview some but not all. The WC knew of witnesses, which they choose not to interview. However, exactly how is this sinister except in the mind of a devout conspiracy theorist? Are you nuts? lmao
Paul, this is to be argued with Bill, not you. Thanks for chipping in, though. Keep on trucking.One can only laugh at this rubbish and move on............so, lol.
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March 13, 2010, 04:02:25 PM
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One can only laugh at this rubbish and move on............so, lol.
Good, after a little snicker, you are now moving on. lmao
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March 13, 2010, 04:18:40 PM
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However, the circumstantial case against Oswald through the 12 items above in addition to Howard Brennan's testimony is 99.9% conclusive. Anythhing else is pure hogwash. Circumstantial case......What happened to PROOF..?
Testimony....Aren't you the one who does not believe ANY witness testimony..?
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March 13, 2010, 04:25:56 PM
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However, the circumstantial case against Oswald through the 12 items above in addition to Howard Brennan's testimony is 99.9% conclusive. Anythhing else is pure hogwash. Circumstantial case......What happened to PROOF..?
Testimony....Aren't you the one who does not believe ANY witness testimony..? Mr. Holt, are you unaware that the majority of murder convictions in America are brought about through circumstantial evidence? Howard Brennans testimony is NOT in direct conflict with other witnesses is it Mr. Holt? You'll notice I mentioned Brennan at the end of my comments. His testimony is not even necessary.
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March 13, 2010, 04:39:43 PM
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Witnesses can be wrong. All you have to do is look at the slow-mo film Duncan posted to see that the blood exited from the front of the head.As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginIf there was a shot from the knoll, Zapruder would be deaf in his right ear.
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March 13, 2010, 04:57:25 PM
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If there was a shot from the knoll, Zapruder would be deaf in his right ear. Kinda like Fritz..? Mr. Holt, are you unaware that the majority of murder convictions in America are brought about through circumstantial evidence? Mr. May...are you unaware that you speak out of both sides of you mouth, as is convenient?
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March 14, 2010, 06:25:57 PM
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Paul May wrote of his above list:
FACTS beyond dispute (unless of course you're a CT)
Paul,
We would likely not have a JFK Forum if facts were not disputable.
I have never seen a case where there are more facts disputed
than the JFK murder.............have you?
................and not just by the CT side but by the LN side too.
Many believe the source of many of your facts, namely
J. Edgar Hoover's 1963 FBI , are possibly disputable too,
and that is their right in this country...to question authority.
The undisputable facts you list in your previous post,
could also look like a chronological list of a pre-planned set-up to frame Oswald.
Here are a couple of FACTUAL QUOTES from two members of the Warren Commission,
Richard Russell, Senator and former Warren Commissioner:
"We have not been told the truth about Oswald."
Hale Boggs, Majority Leader and former Warren Commissioner:
"Hoover lied his eyes out to the Commission - on Oswald, on Ruby, on their friends, the bullets, the guns, you name it..."
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JFK to Mrs. Kennedy as he hands her the Dallas
Morning News - 11/22/63
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