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Here's some observations I have on these photos which I think are the most revealing taken in Dealey Plaza.
(1)  I see 2 men, although very small, in position for the fatal shot at the junction of the Triple overpass and the Wooden Fence.
      This is also where the liftable grate to the drainage system is and where a Dallas policeman ran after the shots.
(2)  The space between the Umbrella Man and the Dark complected man seems to mark the area of the first shot from the knoll.
      The shooter may be "Black Dog Man" with a "silent shot" awaiting the sound of the "loud shot" from behind .
(3)  To the left of Zapruders knee you can see "Railroad Worker man" and others behind the fence.
(4)  Above the second "M" in the Stemmons Freeway sign above the bushes I see the head of a man with a hat looking very      
      much like the Tramp often thought to be E Howard Hunt.
 
  Nothing beats having the issue of Life "Last Seconds of the Motorcade" and a magnifing glass to observe these in detail.
 The Betzner photo is sharper in detail than the more published Willis photo. I would like to hear what everybody has to say.


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As soon as the Presidents' car turned down Elm st.....All eyes were on the President and Mrs. Kennedy.
Use any Photograph in Dealey Plaza you want as a reference.......
Lots of the people had been waiting for over an hour just to catch a glimpse of them.
There could be a whole forum on witness intimidation too.

I suppose the motorcycle officer who dismounted and left
his cycle laying in the  middle of the street and all the witnesess running up the knoll area heard 3 shots
 from the TSDB too.
I said Black Dog Man COULD have been a shooter.....I personally think it came from the corner area
 of the wooden fence.....the Black Dog image is unusual though............so perhaps you believe
 there was an actual black dog on the retaining wall....Cocker Spaniel perhaps or a Doberman puppy ??







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Black dong man...funny that a carload of US SS agents, along with several police officers and eyewitnesses, never saw anyone pretty much out in the open, right in front of the car, firing a weapon. Its also mighty peculiar that Zapruder, said that there were 3 shots, and all 3 shots came from up the street in the direction of TSBD. He did not hear any shots coming from his right or behind him.




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Martin,

I read that post you did on the Altgens photo where you identified all the people in the crowd with arrows
and used the Croft photo also.........I hope you can consider doing the same with the Betzner/Willis photos.  

I have been studying my copy of Betzner from Life magazine against your Betzner image sent.
There are differences in clarity. These are very subtle differences...but they're important to
what I was talking about in my post.  
I don't know if even a scan of the Life issue photograph will ever reproduce
100% equally on a computer moniter compared to their printed page in 1967.

It is the best I've seen yet though.........I am just so impressed by the amount
of info. some of you out there have and are willing to share.Thank You.
SO I will include this photo from Love Field in Dallas.

Martin Covax



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Martin, here is a crop of Betzner's famous photograph with the points of interests for you
a bit larger.

I don't know understand what you mean that Black Dog Man might be a Photographic edit.

Martin


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Martin,

I read that post you did on the Altgens photo where you identified all the people in the crowd with arrows
and used the Croft photo also.........I hope you can consider doing the same with the Betzner/Willis photos.  

I have been studying my copy of Betzner from Life magazine against your Betzner image sent.
There are differences in clarity. These are very subtle differences...but they're important to
what I was talking about in my post.  
I don't know if even a scan of the Life issue photograph will ever reproduce
100% equally on a computer moniter compared to their printed page in 1967.

It is the best I've seen yet though.........I am just so impressed by the amount
of info. some of you out there have and are willing to share.Thank You.
SO I will include this photo from Love Field in Dallas.

Martin Covax


Hi Martin.  hat;;

Thank you for your kindness.

I consider to color the Betzner photo as well. But that can take while cause i have so much on the task list. /o\
Martin, i do believe that every single photograph taken on november 22,1963 is indeed authentic.
Betzner, Altgens, Moorman, Zapruder frames......etc. Every single one.

Thats one of the reason, i go to concentrate onto the photographic evidence.
You are right on the money that Betzner was taken at Z#186 and Willis at Z#202.

About Blackdogman (BDM) , i think this is a man who crouched behind the white retaining wall before the motorcade turned down Elm and disappeared suddenly.
Rose Mary Willis identified this man as you can see in the attachement.

There are other theories out there which are interpreting that this shape might be a couple or a woman with a baby. 
Everbody is free to interprete this image by one own.

I do believe it was a man with dark clothes with a hat. I will also support my claim sooner or later.

But i don't believe he was a shooter. It would have been a very bold idea to do at this open stage in broad daylight.
I believe he was a protector for a man behind the fence. A guy who propably had a (faked?) Secret Service identification card to
make sure that the crowds rushing not too fast into the railroad yard.

I thinks it's high likely that the first shot coming from the direction of the TSBD.
Maybe the one that hit the curb south of Main street which particles hit James Tague on his left cheek.

best to you

Martin

 


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Zapruder / Betzner Comparison.









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Zapruder / Betzner Comparison.




Thank you Robin 10fjyfjfyg

Great, that helps.


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No problem Martin.

I did those two comparisons a few months ago.




Betzner / Bronson Comparison.




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No problem Martin.

I did those two comparisons a few months ago.

Betzner / Bronson Comparison.




I think you got it Robin.

The Chism family is out of sight in Betzner because they are standing in front of the curb.

Well done.

Martin


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Thanks Martin.


This is one of your Comparisons  from my image galleries.   thumbs1xx






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Willis & croft  positions.





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Thanks Martin.

This is one of your Comparisons  from my image galleries.   thumbs1xx


In the Gallery......huh. Not sure to deserve it.

Thanks my friend.


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Large GRODEN Willis 5  (Blackdog )




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Thanks, Robin.     thumbs1xx


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