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Here's some observations I have on these photos which I think are the most revealing taken in Dealey Plaza.
(1)  I see 2 men, although very small, in position for the fatal shot at the junction of the Triple overpass and the Wooden Fence.
      This is also where the liftable grate to the drainage system is and where a Dallas policeman ran after the shots.
(2)  The space between the Umbrella Man and the Dark complected man seems to mark the area of the first shot from the knoll.
      The shooter may be "Black Dog Man" with a "silent shot" awaiting the sound of the "loud shot" from behind .
(3)  To the left of Zapruders knee you can see "Railroad Worker man" and others behind the fence.
(4)  Above the second "M" in the Stemmons Freeway sign above the bushes I see the head of a man with a hat looking very      
      much like the Tramp often thought to be E Howard Hunt.
 
  Nothing beats having the issue of Life "Last Seconds of the Motorcade" and a magnifing glass to observe these in detail.
 The Betzner photo is sharper in detail than the more published Willis photo. I would like to hear what everybody has to say.


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Black Dog Man was quite the assassin to be able to get a shot off while so out in the open and to be able to avoid detection by every single witness in Dealey Plaza who should have easily seen such a shooter at the retaining wall if there were indeed a shooter in that location.

Martin, also, you're quite the astute researcher with an amazing eye to be able to see all of those things in the photo(s) that you listed above.


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Martin,

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Thank You Bill for your reply.........
Here's what I think in more detail is possible with the "Black Dog Man" issue and others in the Betzner photo.

(1) He is actually 2 men ...one man standing and schielding the other "Sitting or Couching man" from behind.
     The man shooting would be the sitting man.....hidden well from the front by the low retaining wall and from the back.
      He probably arrived at his position seconds before President Kennedy turned onto Elm St.
      From that distance a trained and excellent shooter could also "shoot from the hip" but it would be an easy shot and   zip              put pistol back into the coat or hand-off the gun and leave before the assasination is even over.
A very close witness to Kennedys' reaction ,named Chism , observed after the first shot that the President "sat back in his seat" from a more relaxed casual posture and blocked his face with his hands........this is a shot from the front to the necktie knot area .
This was a set-up shot,and it was from the right front with a silencer with a shooter who waited for the sound of the first shot to fire his weapon.The shot could also have came from behind the picket fence , near the corner of the fence... In my opinion these are the only 2 locations that make sence for the first shot to the neck.

(2) the "Black Dog Man " could simply be a Photographic edit...........Black out this area on the negative...you know?
     There may have been a more incriminating image there.There are other unusual images in the vicinity of the retaining wall.
I know there was a park bench back there........i think some poeple stepped forward and claimed to be eating their lunches there
but there is a vacuum of documentation on them.
I believe there are problems in finding exactly how the Betzner negatives were handled.

As far as the claim I made of seeing an image of E.Howard Hunt above the second "M" on the Stemmons freeway sign.....
the image I see is in a place where if someone was  there....they would have an excellent view of the whole operation...
the shooters, the Presidential limosine,everything!!! People that see this image in the photo might say..."Well ..He's too high up in the air to be a man.."..........to them I'd say...."Not a man standing on a car"...as we know it was a parking lot jammed with cars. If it is E.Howard Hunt ,he probably was in that position less than 30 seconds. Since many believe him to be the handler of this operation on the knoll it makes sence for him to be observing everything,........especially if Kennedy is murdered or not.

I feel the Betzner and the Willis photos alone tell us alot about this whole operation.
I think these photos are timeline linked to Z186 and Z202........somebody may know for sure.
There seems to be alot of decoys and mystery people in Dealey Plaza that day.





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Black Dog Man was quite the assassin to be able to get a shot off while so out in the open and to be able to avoid detection by every single witness in Dealey Plaza who should have easily seen such a shooter at the retaining wall if there were indeed a shooter in that location.

Martin, also, you're quite the astute researcher with an amazing eye to be able to see all of those things in the photo(s) that you listed above.


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I know there was a park bench back there........i think some poeple(sic) stepped forward and claimed to be eating their lunches there

The bench people never came forward.  They were spoken about by Marilyn Sitzman.


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Martin, here is a crop of Betzner's famous photograph with the points of interests for you
a bit larger.

I don't know understand what you mean that Black Dog Man might be a Photographic edit.

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Thanks Chris.


I have been looking for that scan.

My copy was deleted, when i had to Format my hard Drive, due to a virus on my old website.


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Very good, Martin.........Thanks for this awesome Betzner blow-up......This is the first time I've ever seen the Betzner photo on computer reproduced to near the same quality as my issues of Life magazine.
(It is your posts, Mr.Henrich, I first read on this forum that got me to sign up and join in here. )

Anyway, what I meant by "photographic edit" is somebody in the darkroom altering the negative. (cerca 1963 technology.)
Lets say ......a thin White-out type solution for example ..... would come back black on the positive photo, erasing the unwanted image, and then destruction of the original negative.....gone forever.
It is a very dark area (Black Dog Man)..........and it does not look natural at all to me.

I know you are very knowledgable , tell me ,in your opinion,.....how did the first shot to the neck happen ???


I feel the first shot HEARD .........came from the TSBD but was an intentional miss ....and made to influence witnesses and cover
the sound of the silencer shot from the front right.
The silencer shot is what hit Kennedy.....the shot from behind was shot into the grass meridian near the area where that official is later shown looking in the grass....probably a pre-arranged location. Does this sound believeable???






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Martin, here is a crop of Betzner's famous photograph with the points of interests for you
a bit larger.

I don't know understand what you mean that Black Dog Man might be a Photographic edit.

Martin


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Awesome Cathy......that's it........ Marilyn Sitzman..........now doesn't eating your lunch on a park bench seem like a perfectly
innocent activity?????
.........I don't know if I buy it......it's possible these were innocent random people scared off by what they had witnessed.
Anybody have any further info on this? i have wondered about these people a long time.


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I know there was a park bench back there........i think some poeple(sic) stepped forward and claimed to be eating their lunches there

The bench people never came forward.  They were spoken about by Marilyn Sitzman.


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Thanks Chris.


I have been looking for that scan.

My copy was deleted, when i had to Format my hard Drive, due to a virus on my old website.


Robin,

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Thanks Chris.

Exellent.



Thanks Chris.


I have been looking for that scan.

My copy was deleted, when i had to Format my hard Drive, due to a virus on my old website.


Robin,

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Thanks Chris.

Exellent.  hat;;


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Black dog man...funny that a carload of US SS agents, along with several police officers and eyewitnesses, never saw anyone pretty much out in the open, right in front of the car, firing a weapon. Its also mighty peculiar that Zapruder, said that there were 3 shots, and all 3 shots came from up the street in the direction of TSBD. He did not hear any shots coming from his right or behind him.



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