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 October 15, 2009, 08:05:56 PM
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Thanks Martin.
I think there is a good likeness between this 1967 frame, and the woman standing next to the Cuban look alike in Altgens.
I agree Robin. And the woman next to her is Pearl Springer.
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October 16, 2009, 03:32:20 AM
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Hi Martin.
It seems that Robert Edwards & Ronald Fischer new each other, and were infact standing together on the southwest corner of Elm and Houston.
Fischer, Ronald B. WC Testimony, 11/22/63 Affidavit Auditor, City of Dallas. Witness at assassination scene.
VOLUNTARY STATEMENT. Not Under Arrest Form No. 86
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS
Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22nd day of November A.D. 1963 personally appeared Ronald B. Fischer Address 4007 Flamingo Drive, Mesquite, Texas Age 24 , Phone No. ER 9-0950 (Employed by the Dallas County Auditor's Office.)
Deposes and says:
Today, November 22nd, 1963, I was with Robert E. (Bob) Edwards, we were standing on the corner of Elm and Houston, on the southwest corner;
Edwards, Robert Edwin WC Testimony, 11/22/63 Affidavit Employee, Dallas City Courthouse. Witness at assassination scene.
VOLUNTARY STATEMENT. Not Under Arrest Form No. 86
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS
Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22 day of November A.D. 1963 personally appeared Robert E. (Bob) Edwards Address 821 South Nursery, Irving, Texas Age 22 , Phone No. None (Employed by the Dallas County Auditor's Office.)
Deposes and says:
Today, November 22nd, 1963, I was with Ronald Fischer, and we were on the corner at Elm and Houston
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October 16, 2009, 07:15:42 AM
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Roy Truly photo. Credit James Richards Roy Truly was not very tall, he admits in his witness statement to having a a bit of a problem seeing over the crowds. Also note the comment about the 5th floor colored boys that he saw dissapear into the crowd. ?? Mr. TRULY. Mr. O. V. Campbell, vice president--and I had started out for lunch. I don't know as we had any particular place in mind. We ate at several places around there. It was around 12:10 or 12:15, I would say, to the nearest of my memory. As we got to the outside of the building, we noticed that it wouldn't be long until the motorcade would come by, and we decided to wait and watch the President come by. Mr. BELIN. Do you remember where you were standing with Mr. Campbell? Mr. TRULY. I would judge out in Elm Street, 10 to 15 or 20 feet from the front steps. We first stood on the steps, the bottom steps a few minutes, and then we walked out in the line of spectators on the side of Elm Street. Mr. BELIN. And that you gradually might have moved a little bit towards the south, towards the parkway, is that correct? Mr. TRULY. That is correct. Mr. BELIN. All right. Do you know approximately what time you got there, Mr. Truly? To the best of your recollection. Mr. TRULY. 3 or 4 minutes after we reached the entrance, the walkway, we stood on the steps 2 or 3 minutes, and then I don't believe we just gradually moved out a bit. And then when the policemen leading the motorcade came off of Main on to Houston, we saw them coming, and then we just moved out a little farther to the edge of the parkway. Mr. BELIN. Did you notice any other company employees with you other than Mr. Campbell at that time? Mr. TRULY. Well, I did. I noticed several. Mrs. Reid was standing there close. And it seemed like there were several of the other employees standing out in front of the building. But I cannot--I think Bill Shelley was standing over to my right as I faced the motorcade--somewheres in that area. I noticed just before the motorcade passed there were, I believe, three of our colored boys had come out and started up, and two of them came back. And I didn't see them when the motorcade passed. But they had started across Houston Street up Elm, and they came back later on, and I think those were the ones that were two of them were the ones on the fifth floor. Possibly they could not see over the crowd. They are short boys. I wasn't doing too well at that, myself.  I picked this man in the centre of this frame (Black suit, Hat ) some months ago, given descriptions of where witness statements said Truly was supposed to be standing. On the concrete island approx 30-feet from the tsbd entrance. ? To me this spectator looks similar to James photo of Truly, and he appears to be short in stature.
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October 16, 2009, 09:51:52 AM
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Roy Truly photo. Credit James Richards Roy Truly was not very tall, he admits in his witness statement to having a a bit of a problem seeing over the crowds. Also note the comment about the 5th floor colored boys that he saw dissapear into the crowd. ?? Mr. TRULY. Mr. O. V. Campbell, vice president--and I had started out for lunch. I don't know as we had any particular place in mind. We ate at several places around there. It was around 12:10 or 12:15, I would say, to the nearest of my memory. As we got to the outside of the building, we noticed that it wouldn't be long until the motorcade would come by, and we decided to wait and watch the President come by. Mr. BELIN. Do you remember where you were standing with Mr. Campbell? Mr. TRULY. I would judge out in Elm Street, 10 to 15 or 20 feet from the front steps. We first stood on the steps, the bottom steps a few minutes, and then we walked out in the line of spectators on the side of Elm Street. Mr. BELIN. And that you gradually might have moved a little bit towards the south, towards the parkway, is that correct? Mr. TRULY. That is correct. Mr. BELIN. All right. Do you know approximately what time you got there, Mr. Truly? To the best of your recollection. Mr. TRULY. 3 or 4 minutes after we reached the entrance, the walkway, we stood on the steps 2 or 3 minutes, and then I don't believe we just gradually moved out a bit. And then when the policemen leading the motorcade came off of Main on to Houston, we saw them coming, and then we just moved out a little farther to the edge of the parkway. Mr. BELIN. Did you notice any other company employees with you other than Mr. Campbell at that time? Mr. TRULY. Well, I did. I noticed several. Mrs. Reid was standing there close. And it seemed like there were several of the other employees standing out in front of the building. But I cannot--I think Bill Shelley was standing over to my right as I faced the motorcade--somewheres in that area. I noticed just before the motorcade passed there were, I believe, three of our colored boys had come out and started up, and two of them came back. And I didn't see them when the motorcade passed. But they had started across Houston Street up Elm, and they came back later on, and I think those were the ones that were two of them were the ones on the fifth floor. Possibly they could not see over the crowd. They are short boys. I wasn't doing too well at that, myself. I picked this man in the centre of this frame (Black suit, Hat ) some months ago, given descriptions of where witness statements said Truly was supposed to be standing. On the concrete island approx 30-feet from the tsbd entrance. ? To me this spectator looks similar to James photo of Truly, and he appears to be short in stature. Chapeau Robin. I agree. Truly was not tall and weared this dark suit and hat. I think the man next to him looks bald somehow (my interpretation) and therefore not Bill Shelley. I believe what Truly is describing about the colored boys is simply: He saw them on the street before the motorcade arrived, they couldn't see much because they were short (LOL, that says Truly) and then they went up the the fifth floor. But i agree, his descreption is a bit complicated.
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October 16, 2009, 09:53:48 AM
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Hi Martin.
It seems that Robert Edwards & Ronald Fischer new each other, and were infact standing together on the southwest corner of Elm and Houston.
Fischer, Ronald B. WC Testimony, 11/22/63 Affidavit Auditor, City of Dallas. Witness at assassination scene.
VOLUNTARY STATEMENT. Not Under Arrest Form No. 86
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS
Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22nd day of November A.D. 1963 personally appeared Ronald B. Fischer Address 4007 Flamingo Drive, Mesquite, Texas Age 24 , Phone No. ER 9-0950 (Employed by the Dallas County Auditor's Office.)
Deposes and says:
Today, November 22nd, 1963, I was with Robert E. (Bob) Edwards, we were standing on the corner of Elm and Houston, on the southwest corner;
Edwards, Robert Edwin WC Testimony, 11/22/63 Affidavit Employee, Dallas City Courthouse. Witness at assassination scene.
VOLUNTARY STATEMENT. Not Under Arrest Form No. 86
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS
Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22 day of November A.D. 1963 personally appeared Robert E. (Bob) Edwards Address 821 South Nursery, Irving, Texas Age 22 , Phone No. None (Employed by the Dallas County Auditor's Office.)
Deposes and says:
Today, November 22nd, 1963, I was with Ronald Fischer, and we were on the corner at Elm and Houston
Well done Robin. thumbs1xx We can find them propably in a Dorman frame?
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October 16, 2009, 10:01:55 AM
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Martin.
I am wondering if what you see as a bald man is not a woman
Do i see a dress and bare legs at ground level ??
Robin, i mean this person. hat;;
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