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Barnett, Welcome Eugene WC Testimony Member, Dallas Police Department.
Mr. LIEBELER - Will you state your full name for the record?
Mr. BARNETT - Welcome Eugene Barnett.
Mr. LIEBELER - When and where were you born?
Mr. BARNETT - July 12, 1932, New Hope, Tex.
Mr. LIEBELER - You are apparently a uniformed officer of the Dallas Police Department, isn't that right?
Mr. BARNETT - Yes, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER - How long have you been in the Dallas Police?
Mr. BARNETT - Eight and a half years.
Mr. LIEBELER - It is my understanding that you were assigned to the area of Elm and Houston Streets on November 22, 1963; is that correct?
Mr. BARNETT - Yes, sir.
Smith, Edgar Leon Jr. WC Testimony Member, Dallas Police Department.
Mr. LIEBELER. Would you state your full name for the record, please?
Mr. SMITH. Edgar Leon Smith, Jr.
Mr. LIEBELER. Where and when were you born?
Mr. SMITH. Myrtle Springs, Tex., July 9,1933.
Mr. LIEBELER. Where do you live?
Mr. SMITH. 1800 Scripture, Apartment 8, in Denton, Tex.
Mr. LIEBELER. You are a Dallas policeman?
Mr. SMITH. A Dallas policeman.
Mr. LIEBELER. I understand that you were in the vicinity of the Texas School Book Depository Building on November 22,1963; is that correct?
Mr. SMITH. I was.
Smith, Joe Marshall WC Testimony Member, Dallas Police Department.
Mr. LIEBELER. Would you state your full name for the record?
Mr. SMITH. Joe Marshall Smith.
Mr. LIEBELER. What is your address?
Mr. SMITH. 12015 Androck. That is in Mesquite.
Mr. LIEBELER. When were you born?
Mr. SMITH. May 1, 1932.
Mr. LIEBELER. You are presently a uniformed officer of the Dallas Police Department?
Mr. SMITH. That's right.
Mr. LIEBELER. How long have you been with the Dallas Police Department?
Mr. SMITH. Oh, nearly 8 years, in September it will be.
Mr. LIEBELER. During that time, you have been working basically as a uniformed officer, patrolman?
Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER. Have you been working in any specific type of assignment, or just what has been the nature of your work?
Mr. SMITH. Well, I was in radio patrol 3 1/2 years. Then I went to traffic division point control, and that is what I am doing presently.
Mr. LIEBELER. I understand that you were assigned to work in the vicinity of Elm and Houston on November 22, 1963, is that correct?
Mr. SMITH. Correct
Springer, Pearl December 5, 1963, FBI report Witness at assassination scene
Mrs. PEARL SPRINGER, 8218 Elkton Circle, Dallas, Texas, telephone EX 1-1803, advised she is employed in the cutting room for Miller and Randazzo on the third floor of the Dal-Tex Mart Building, 501 Elm Street, Dallas Texas.
On November 22, 1963, she and another employee, Mrs. CAROLYN WALTHER, left the building where they work after they hurriedly ate lunch at about 12:15 p.m., to see the Presidential parade. They walked out of the building, crossed Elm Street and south on Houston Street on the east side of Houston Street, stopping just south of a sign post. (This sign post is seventeen steps south of the Elm Street Curb.) They stood there for about fifteen minutes waiting for the parade. During that time, she looked around at the crowed but never looked up above the ground floor of the Texas School Book Depository building located diagonally across the stree from where she was standing. She recalled some comotion across the street from her, and an ambulance came and carried a man away. She heard a police officer say the man carried away in the ambulance had an epileptic seizure. After the Presidential party passed her and turned the corner going west on Elm Street, she heard what she thought was a shot. At first she thought it was some kind of salute, but this shot was followed by two more. She recalled that after the first shot there was a pause, than two more shots were fired close together. She and Mrs. WALTHER ran across the street for a moment toward the Texas School Book Depository building to see if they could see anything down toward the Elm Street underpass, but they could not, so they returned to the building where they work.
Mrs. Springer said that she noticed no one standing in the windows on the upper floors of the Texas School Book Depository building, and Mrs. WALTER did not mention to her anything about seeing a man standing in a window of that building holding a rifle.
on 12/4/63 at Dallas, Texas File # DL 89-43
By Special Agent C. RAY HALL AND MARGIE J. WHITE Date Dictated 12/5/63
Moore, Henry M. WC Testimony Member, Dallas Police Department.
Mr. BELIN. What is your position there right now?
Mr. MOORE. Detective.
Mr. BELIN. Were you on duty on November 22 around noon?
Mr. MOORE. No.
Mr. BELIN. When were you to report to work that day?
Mr. MOORE. Four; 4:00 p.m.
Mr. BELIN. When did you report for work that day?
Mr. MOORE. Shortly after the assassination, soon as I could get to town.
Mr. BELIN. How shortly after?
Mr. MOORE. 1 or 1:30, somewhere around there. Maybe 2.
Mr. BELIN. You reported down at the main police station?
Mr. MOORE. Yes, sir.
Moore, T. E. 1/10/64 FBI report Witness at assassination scene.
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
Date January 10, 1964
T.E. MOORE, Deputy District Court Clerk, Records Building, advised that on November 22, 1963, he took his lunch hour to observe the Presidential Motorcade. He was standing at the southwest corner of Elm and Houston and observed the motorcade going by, turning west from Houston to Elm Street. By the time President KENNEDY had reached the Thornton Freeway sign, a shot was fired and Mr. MOORE observed the President slumping forward in the Presidential car. Mr. MOORE heard two more shots fired, however, the President was out of Mr. MOORE's sight at the time the last two were fired. Mr. MOORE noticed some of the bystanders on the north side of Elm Street below the concrete pavillion, rushing away from the street across the grass toward the concrete pavilion. Mr. MOORE stated that at the sound of the first shot, he looked up toward the Texas School Book Depository because the shot sounded like it had come from a high area, however, he did not observe anything noteworthy at the Texas School Book Depository.
He stated that approximately two minutes later, the Texas School Book Depository was surrounded by police officers.
on 1-8-64 at Dallas, Texas File # DL 100-10461
By Special Agent GEORGE T. BINNEY Date Dictated 1-9-64
Brown, C. W. WC Testimony Member, Dallas Police Department.
Mr. BELIN. What is your position now?
Mr. BROWN. I am detective in the homicide and robbery bureau.
Mr. BELIN. Were you on duty on November 22, 1963?
Mr. BROWN. Yes, sir; I was.
Mr. BELIN. What were you doing around noon or so?
Mr. BROWN. I was booking a prisoner in at the city hall, with Detective J.R. Leavelle.
Mr. BELIN. When did you first hear of the shooting of the President?
Mr. BROWN. It came on our police intercom radio that we have in the office.
Brown, Earle V. WC Testimony Member, Dallas Police Department
Mr. BALL. Let me see if we can get something In the record that will be your position. You were appointed to this particular spot?
Mr. BROWN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Was there another patrolman on the overpass also?
Mr. BROWN. Yes, sir; James Lomax.
Mr. BALL. Now, this Is the place where the railroad yards run over the highway?
Mr. BROWN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And you are on the Stemmons Freeway end of It?
Mr. BROWN. That's right; In other words, Stemmons Freeway and the service road both go under the underpass.
Mr. BALL. What is his name?
Mr. BROWN. James Lomax.
Mr. BALL. How far were you from the point where Elm Street goes under the underpass?
Mr. BROWN. I would say approximately 100 yards.
Mr. BALL. approximately 100 yards in what direction?
Mr. BROWN. That would be - wouldn't be straight east, but It would be to easterly, kind of off at an angle - I would say about from us about a 20 degree angle to the right.
Mr. BALL. You would be east or west?
Mr. BROWN. We would be to the southwest of that.
Mr. BALL. You would be to the southwest of that?
Mr. BROWN. Yes, I would say that's about right.
Mr. BALL. Did you have the corner of Houston and Elm Street in sight from where you were located?
Mr. BROWN. Actually, we could see cars moving there, you know, coming and making the turn, but the intersection, that would be about all we probably could see would be cars.
Mr. BALL. Could you see cars going down after they made the turn and going down toward the underpass south?
Mr. BROWN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. You could see those?
Mr. BROWN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Did you have any instructions when you were assigned to this location?
Mr. BROWN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What were they?
Mr. BROWN. Not allow anyone on the overpass whatever and walk forward and make both ends-in other words, check both ends of the overpass.
Mr. BALL. That was you and Mr. Lomax?
Mr. BROWN. That's right.
Crawford, James N. WC Testimony Witness at assassination scene.
Mr. BALL - How long have you been with the county of Dallas?
Mr. CRAWFORD - About 10 years.
Mr. BALL - You are a deputy county clerk there?
Mr. CRAWFORD - District clerk.
Mr. BALL - On November 22, 1963, about around 12 o'clock or so. where were you?
Mr. CRAWFORD - I was in the office of the district clerk
Mr. BALL - Did you later leave and go out into the street?
Mr. CRAWFORD - About 12:25, we left the office and went out to the corner of Houston and Elm.
Mr. BALL - You went with whom?
Mr. CRAWFORD - Mary ann Mitchell.
Mr. BALL - She works in the office with you?
Mr. CRAWFORD - She is in the office with me.
Mr. BALL - What is her occupation in the office?
Mr. CRAWFORD - Assistant to the district clerk
Mr. BALL - Where is your office located in Dallas?
Mr. CRAWFORD - It's located on the ground floor of the Records Building.
Worrell, James Richard, Jr. WC Testimony, 11/23/63 Affidavit Witness at assassination scene.
Mr. SPECTER - What time, to the best of your recollection, did you arrive at the intersection of Elm and Houston?
Mr. WORRELL - Well, about 10, 10:30, 10:45, something around there. There weren't many people standing around there then.
Mr. SPECTER - Well about how long before the Presidential motorcade came to Elm and Houston did you get there?
Mr. WORRELL - An hour; an hour and a half.
Mr. SPECTER - Are you sure you were at Love Field when the President arrived there?
Mr. WORRELL - Oh yes.
Mr. SPECTER - All right. Now I am going to show you a photograph which I have marked as Commission Exhibit No. 359. Take a look at that, if you would, please, and tell us whether or not you can identify what scene that is?
Mr. WORRELL - Yes, this is Elm, Pacific, and Commerce. This is the Depository right here, and this is Stemmons, and this is the way the President came down.
Mr. SPECTER - So that is the assassination scene itself?
Mr. WORRELL - Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER - Now take a look at that picture and tell us where you were standing - and I will give you a pencil so you can mark it on that picture itself - at the time the Presidential motorcade came by. Mark it with an "X," if you would, just exactly where were you standing, as best you can recollect it, at this moment, at the time the President went by.
Mr. WORRELL - Right underneath that window right there.
Mr. SPECTER - Now, how close were you standing to this building which I will ask you to identify; first of all, what building is that?
Mr. WORRELL - That is the Texas Depository.
Mr. SPECTER - All right. Now how close to that building were you standing?
Mr. WORRELL - I was, I don't know, 4 or 5 feet out from it.
Truly, Roy Sansom WC Testimony1, 2, Affidavit Superintendent, TSBD.
Mr. TRULY. Mr. O. V. Campbell, vice president--and I had started out for lunch. I don't know as we had any particular place in mind. We ate at several places around there.
It was around 12:10 or 12:15, I would say, to the nearest of my memory.
As we got to the outside of the building, we noticed that it wouldn't be long until the motorcade would come by, and we decided to wait and watch the President come by.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember where you were standing with Mr. Campbell?
Mr. TRULY. I would judge out in Elm Street, 10 to 15 or 20 feet from the front steps. We first stood on the steps, the bottom steps a few minutes, and then we walked out in the line of spectators on the side of Elm Street.
Mr. BELIN. And that you gradually might have moved a little bit towards the south, towards the parkway, is that correct?
Mr. TRULY. That is correct.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Do you know approximately what time you got there, Mr. Truly? To the best of your recollection.
Mr. TRULY. 3 or 4 minutes after we reached the entrance, the walkway, we stood on the steps 2 or 3 minutes, and then I don't believe we just gradually moved out a bit.
And then when the policemen leading the motorcade came off of Main on to Houston, we saw them coming, and then we just moved out a little farther to the edge of the parkway.
Mr. BELIN. Did you notice any other company employees with you other than Mr. Campbell at that time?
Mr. TRULY. Well, I did. I noticed several. Mrs. Reid was standing there close. And it seemed like there were several of the other employees standing out in front of the building. But I cannot--I think Bill Shelley was standing over to my right as I faced the motorcade--somewheres in that area.
I noticed just before the motorcade passed there were, I believe, three of our colored boys had come out and started up, and two of them came back. And I didn't see them when the motorcade passed.
But they had started across Houston Street up Elm, and they came back later on, and I think those were the ones that were two of them were the ones on the fifth floor. Possibly they could not see over the crowd. They are short boys. I wasn't doing too well at that, myself.
Ritchie, James L. WC Testimony Passport Officer, Department of State.
Campbell, Ochus 11/24/63 FBI report Witness at assassination scene.
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
Date 11/24/63
OCHUS V. CAMPBELL, 7120 Twin Lakes Lane, Dallas, Texas, furnished the following information:
He is the Vice President of the Texas School Book Depository Company, with offices located on the second floor of the Texas School Book Depository Building in Dallas.
On November 22, 1963, he was present at his office at the above named building and at about 12:30 PM on that day, he and several other associates were together stationed about 30 feet in front of this building facing away from the building observing the passing motorcade containing President KENNEDY. At this time, he heard a loud report, which at first he considered to be a fire cracker or some object set off by a crank and believed the noise came from away from his building. This illusion, he explained, may have been due to the sound bouncing off the building and other objects in the vicinity. After hearing two more such reports, he realized they must have been rifle shots and since President KENNEDY's car had advanced just out of his vision, he went forward a few feet to observe this automobile, inasmuch as he feared that the rifle shots were in connection with an attempt upon President KENNEDY's life. He then observed the car bearing President KENNEDY to slow down, a near stop, and a motorcycle policeman rushed up. Immediately following this, he observed the car rush away from the scene. He then immediately rushed into his building without having seen anything unusual from any window of his building. Inside he was told shortly thereafter by the warehouse superintendent, Mr. TRULY, that all the employees of the company had been rounded up and one employee, LEE HARVEY OSWALD, was missing.
Mr. CAMPBELL observed a photograph of LEE HARVEY OSWALD, bearing New Orleans, Louisiana No. 112 723, and stated that he is sure this is a photograph of the employee named above, but added that he is not personally aquainted with him and has never seen him. He advised that he has always given Mr. TRULY the responsibility for hiring employees for the warehouse.
on 11/24/63 at Dallas, Texas File # DL 89-43
By Special Agent EDWARD C. HARDIL & PAUL L. SCOTT Date Dictated 11/24/63
Reid, Mrs. Robert A. WC Testimony Employee, TSBD.
Mrs. REID. I am a clerical supervisor.
Mr. BELIN. For what company?
Mrs. REID. Texas School Book Depository.
Mr. BELIN. How long have you worked for the Texas School Book Depository?
Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do?
Mrs. REID. Came down on the first floor.
Mr. BELIN. Then you came on the first floor.
Mrs. REID. Went out the front door of our building.
Mr. BELIN. Went out the front door.
Mrs. REID. I stood on the steps for several minutes.
Mr. BELIN. Yes.
Mrs. REID. Until I saw the parade coming around the corner from Main and Houston and when I did I walked out to the street so I would be nearer to the people, and I walked out and was standing by Mr. Truly and Mr. Campbell.
Kounas, Dolores 11/25/63 FBI report Witness at assassination scene.
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
Date 11/25/63
DOLORES KOUNAS, 825 Arpogo Circle, telephone FR 4-7251, employed as a clerk-typist by McGraw-Hill Publishing Company, third floor of the Texas School Book Depository Building, Elm and Houston Streets, Dallas, Texas, furnished th following information:
She stated on November 22, 1963 she had left the building about 12:00 noon. She stated she went to a spot on the southwest corner of Houston and Elm Streets to watch the Presidential motorcade pass. She was approximately 100 feet south of the Texas School Book Depository Building
Fischer, Ronald B. WC Testimony, 11/22/63 Affidavit Auditor, City of Dallas. Witness at assassination scene.
VOLUNTARY STATEMENT. Not Under Arrest Form No. 86
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS
Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22nd day of November A.D. 1963 personally appeared Ronald B. Fischer Address 4007 Flamingo Drive, Mesquite, Texas Age 24 , Phone No. ER 9-0950 (Employed by the Dallas County Auditor's Office.)
Deposes and says:
Today, November 22nd, 1963, I was with Robert E. (Bob) Edwards, we were standing on the corner of Elm and Houston, on the southwest corner;
Edwards, Robert Edwin WC Testimony, 11/22/63 Affidavit Employee, Dallas City Courthouse. Witness at assassination scene.
VOLUNTARY STATEMENT. Not Under Arrest Form No. 86
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS
Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22 day of November A.D. 1963 personally appeared Robert E. (Bob) Edwards Address 821 South Nursery, Irving, Texas Age 22 , Phone No. None (Employed by the Dallas County Auditor's Office.)
Deposes and says:
Today, November 22nd, 1963, I was with Ronald Fischer, and we were on the corner at Elm and Houston
Watson, James C. WC Testimony Member, Dallas Police Department.
Watson, Radio Sheriff's report Member Dalls County Sheriff's Department
That's a pretty good start Martin.
Now we need to read there testimonies to see if we can identify where they were standing during the motorcade !
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