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Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Why would the conspirators let Oswald have a midnight press conference?
« Reply #110 on: September 05, 2018, 03:21:36 PM »
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He takes issue with the evidence against Oswald as being suspect and then suggests it is a "strawman" argument to conclude that he is implying a conspiracy. 

How does taking issue with the evidence equate to implying that there was a conspiracy? If you don't accept the evidence at face value you must belief in a conspiracy? Is that how your mind worksWho exactly faked or manufactured all this evidence if not a conspirator?


Who exactly faked or manufactured all this evidence if not a conspirator?

This may be over your head, but why do you feel there has to be faked or manufactured evidence? Why can't there simply be misrepresented evidence? 

We are only left to ponder this intentional void in John's logic.

Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean it's a void at all

Like Inspector Clouseau, he suspects everyone and he suspects no one. 

Which is exactly what any detective does every day. 

It is a lazy way to stay in a discussion without having to provide any supporting evidence while attempting to set an impossible standard of proof for others.

Where is it written that one has to have an alternative theory to examine the evidence that allegedly supports another theory?

The time honored defense attorney approach to a case where all the evidence is stacked against his client.

Whining again? Just make your case, present the evidence and convince somebody, will ya?

While you are rambling away, why not clear up John I.'s claim that you did not post on the "Richard Smith" thread?  Wouldn't an intellectually honest person want to do that?  This one is simple  Here is an example.  If you argue as John does that the evidence of Oswald's ownership of the rifle is not convincing and does not prove that he owned that rifle, then what other explanation can there be for that evidence (documents, testimony, photos etc) that links Oswald to that rifle other than it was faked to frame Oswald for the crime? There are documents that confirm a rifle with a specific serial number was sent to his PO Box.  Because much of that evidence predated the assassination and comes from a variety of sources, it is genuine or the product of a conspiracy to frame Oswald.  There is no third option in which this evidence somehow exists but neither Oswald nor a conspirator is responsible for it.  I understand why John takes this dishonest and lazy approach.  If he confirmed that he was suggesting a conspiracy, then he might have to do something other than be a contrarian.  He might actually have to provide some support or at least a narrative that makes sense.  Easier to shrug away everything as suspect without making any attempt to explain an alternative.

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Re: Why would the conspirators let Oswald have a midnight press conference?
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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Why would the conspirators let Oswald have a midnight press conference?
« Reply #111 on: September 05, 2018, 05:06:14 PM »
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While you are rambling away, why not clear up John I.'s claim that you did not post on the "Richard Smith" thread?  Wouldn't an intellectually honest person want to do that?  This one is simple  Here is an example.  If you argue as John does that the evidence of Oswald's ownership of the rifle is not convincing and does not prove that he owned that rifle, then what other explanation can there be for that evidence (documents, testimony, photos etc) that links Oswald to that rifle other than it was faked to frame Oswald for the crime? There are documents that confirm a rifle with a specific serial number was sent to his PO Box.  Because much of that evidence predated the assassination and comes from a variety of sources, it is genuine or the product of a conspiracy to frame Oswald.  There is no third option in which this evidence somehow exists but neither Oswald nor a conspirator is responsible for it.  I understand why John takes this dishonest and lazy approach.  If he confirmed that he was suggesting a conspiracy, then he might have to do something other than be a contrarian.  He might actually have to provide some support or at least a narrative that makes sense.  Easier to shrug away everything as suspect without making any attempt to explain an alternative.

If you argue as John does that the evidence of Oswald's ownership of the rifle is not convincing and does not prove that he owned that rifle, then what other explanation can there be for that evidence (documents, testimony, photos etc) that links Oswald to that rifle other than it was faked to frame Oswald for the crime?


You really are not getting any of this, aren't you now? I don't think John has ever argued that the Klein's documents (which were created as part of a transaction initiated by a handwritten order form) are fake. It seems to me that he only questions the photo copy of the order form and the conclusion of the FBI that it is Oswald's handwriting on that form.

I could be mistaken, but I think John has also never claimed that the BY photos are faked. Personally, I think they are likely authentic. So, regardless of your constant exaggerations, what you really only have is a photo copy of an order form and some photographs and neither of those prove Oswald's ownership of the MC rifle allegedly used to kill Kennedy.

Because much of that evidence predated the assassination and comes from a variety of sources, it is genuine or the product of a conspiracy to frame Oswald.

True, but that does not automatically mean that the evidence was faked. Authentic evidence can also be misrepresented.

I understand why John takes this dishonest and lazy approach.  If he confirmed that he was suggesting a conspiracy, then he might have to do something other than be a contrarian.  He might actually have to provide some support or at least a narrative that makes sense.  Easier to shrug away everything as suspect without making any attempt to explain an alternative.


John is not dishonest or lazy in his approach. It seems to me he simply feels that the evidence against Oswald does not support the conclusions attached to it by the WC and/or LNs and on the other hand he feels there is not enough evidence to make a claim that there has been a conspiracy.

Actually, the lazy one is you. Instead of answering my questions, you just ignore the content of my post and basically simply repeat again what you wrote in the post I replied to with my questions.


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Re: Why would the conspirators let Oswald have a midnight press conference?
« Reply #112 on: September 05, 2018, 05:08:14 PM »
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If you argue as John does that the evidence of Oswald's ownership of the rifle is not convincing and does not prove that he owned that rifle, then what other explanation can there be for that evidence (documents, testimony, photos etc) that links Oswald to that rifle other than it was faked to frame Oswald for the crime?

Here we see "Richard's" dishonesty in action.  There is no testimony or photos that link Oswald to that rifle.

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There are documents that confirm a rifle with a specific serial number was sent to his PO Box.

No, actually, there are not.

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  Because much of that evidence predated the assassination and comes from a variety of sources, it is genuine or the product of a conspiracy to frame Oswald.

Or somebody is falsely representing the evidence that there is.  That's your third option.

I haven't said a single thing that is dishonest.  You're just mad because I expose your false claims every time you make them.

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Re: Why would the conspirators let Oswald have a midnight press conference?
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